How an uncanny thing called covid destroyed our lives

@hippyjoe1955 You really believe that, don't you, despite the sheer unfeasibility of a world-wide, cohesive, coherent and such self-destructive policy across all nations, cultures and political systems, as you allege.

While trying to use deaths from illnesses as a political tool as you do, is beneath you.

Covid was and is horribly real, it was not the first pandemic and the disease is here to stay just as is the Black Death (though at least that's now rare), and it won't be the last.

Or don't you care about people suffering from, or even dying from, infectious diseases because their suffering suits your political views?

@ArishMell If you are not aware of the FACTS that I posted then you are either deluded or evil. There is no doubt about what I wrote. Covid was created by the US government. Canada had a bit role in its creation.

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@hippyjoe1955 You are ACCUSING not only your own and the American government but also those of practically every other country around the world, of colluding to commit MASS MURDER to commit, in your view, some strange sort of fraud.

WHY are you?

Was The Bubonic Plague that ravaged Europe in waves for several centuries, some sort of "scam"?

Is Leprosy, endemic in many parts of the world and still around now, although treatable, a lie?

Are Poliomyelitis, Tuberculosis and Tetanus also false because they can be vaccinated against? Especially vaccinated against under State-established and run health-care systems, as I and probably everyone else I know, was?

@ArishMell The FACTS I cited are very well known. Fauci and the military war doing bioweapon research. That fact is well known. The virology lab in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada was used to ship the virus to Wuhan when Obama banned the research in the US.

@Confined Whoever wrote that, or at any rate cobbled together an image of a book that does not actually exist, can believe in his or her pro-disease myths as wished, but I for one am not going to fall for it.

I will not risk my health to suit conspiracy-fantasists' and anarchists' anti-health, anti-government motives.

I had my Covid booster shot last week, am due my Influenza one next, and free to me thanks to a proper National Health Service even if that makes me a Communist in some countries' uncomprehending eyes.

So to Hell with that book's (or merely picture's) creator, and any fellow-liars who'd rather I fall ill or even die from a disease just to obey their callous politics.

@ArishMell You should go find the book. It is right up your alley. Too funny. Why do you have this insane trust in the goodness of government when there is no evidence of its goodness?

@hippyjoe1955 it is a real book then? i was not sure if that is so or if that was just a drawing of an invented one. Oh I am sure it would amuse me, but in a bleak way probably opposite to what it presumably intends.

You might not trust your own government, but that is by your beliefs in your country's administration and party-politics.

I am not blind to the strengths and weaknesses of my own government in my own country, nor to any mistakes it might make; but those strengths included a largely-consensual cross-party approach to the pandemic you seem to think never happened except as a purely political tool anyway - and I'll tell you this:

I far rather trust my country's government and health service than I would trust a potentially dangerous virus, especially one new to humans.

Wherever and however the pathogens and their supporting pro-disease, anti-vaccination dogmas arise.

@ArishMell You are the one living in delusion not me. You believe that governments are a force for good despite all the evidence to the contrary. You are the one denying Fauci's genocide not me. I am well aware of the unexpected deaths directly caused by government action. The government shut down the world unless you were vaxed and those who were vaxed suddenly dropped dead. Hmmmm But don't worry you can live in your delusions. I don't share them.

@Confined That book where it says, "big pharma wants you healthy", Yeah I know that each time another medication is released and the possible side effects include things like hemorrhaging, su*cidal thoughts, blindness, kicking the bucket, weight gain, weakened immune system, loose stools, incontinence, rectal bleeding, projectile vomiting, inability to perform in the bedroom, BUT...

This is not a complete list of possible side effects.

Hell man, better off just dealing with an ailment without meds than to risk being a bodily function bomb.

@ArishMell so you don’t care about the people who have died or been seriously injured from the vaccines?
Please tell me more about how covid is a major cause of death 😁

@AwakeningConfession221122 I assume you know the difference between hazard and risk,, although I fear many people think them synonyms.

Yes of course I do care, and obviously we all hope that did not happen; but I also care about the much greater number who died from the disease; and the far vaster number who have been vaccinated safely and escaped infection.

Vaccines don't necessarily prevent your being infected - and infectious - but greatly reduce both that risk of that and the risk of it being severe. All medications carry their own hazards of harmful side-effects but the higher the hazard the lower the risk.

Now tell me what human activity carries no intrinsic hazards. Indeed, consider my own case:

I had to drive an 80--mile round-trip for my first vaccination. Which carried the most hazards and presented the greatest risk of seriously harming or killing me - 1) the Covid itself, 2) the vaccination, or 3) that driving to and from the vaccination centre?

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I have never said Covid is a major cause of death, but it certainly did kill very many people. It would have killed many more if allowed to, as the anti-precautions campaigners want. Many more shrugged off the disease relatively easily although it was very unpleasant and alarming for them; but there are also many who suffered and still suffer strange after-effects collectively called "Long Covid".

I am not an epidemiologist so I don't know how Covid-SARS-19's mortality compares to related (but not the same!) potentially-fatal diseases such as Influenza; but that's not the only point.

An epidemic or pandemic, even if most people survive it without debilitating after-effects, in an unprotected population makes vast numbers of people ill all at once. How could that be good firstly humanely, but also socially and economically? Yet that would have been the result if we'd all obeyed the anti-protection campaigners' wishes - no vaccines, no isolating, no masks, etc. How would their way have been humane and right?

All countries did their best in their own ways to fight the pandemic, no doubt various mistakes were made which I hope will be identified properly before the next pandemic. The Public Inquiry into this is already under way in the UK and I assume other countries are holding similar investigations*. Yes, tragically some died unexpectedly from vaccine side-effects and no-one wanted that - although we don't know if the disease itself would have killed these individuals.

What though, would have happened if we'd let rip a disease that was so new to Homo Sapiensis that very few people in the world would have had any natural immunity? Or doesn't that matter?

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* Public Inquiries...

...... are NOT run to apportion blame or find scapegoats. Nor, importantly, will their answers necessarily always satisfy the narrow interests of certain sections of the Press, social-media or other vested-interests - including victims. The hearing seeks truth, irrespective of wanted beliefs or vengeance - though occasionally the cause can never be found.

An Inquiry's remit is to find solely and objectively, as far as reasonably practical, what went wrong and how.

If it finds evidence of possible wilful malpractice or negligence, that is for the appropriate employment or legal authorities subsequently to pursue.

If it finds weaknesses in institutional processes, the most common form of failure, it is then for those institutions to put right.

If the fault is in the law, or suggests needing a new law, that is for the Government (in the UK, at Parliamentary level) to examine.

For a major example, the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster indirectly led to the creation of the offence of Corporate Manslaughter. The Inquiry established that the laden car-ferry had capsized by negligent handling, not a collision nor engineering breakdown; and that led to the new law.

And so it is now for the Grenfell Tower fire Inquiry now in its report-writing stage; and for the Covid Inquiry seeking to examine what the country did right and wrong. Hopefully, so they will lead respectively to no more such fires, and in the next pandemic, to better defence.

@ArishMell some say the vaccine killed more people then covid did.

@Confined it certainly is true in my life. 0 dead from covid. 5 dead from the vax.

@ArishMell if you trust the government then I don’t trust you. Nothing personal. You’re just a gullible naive idiot.

@AwakeningConfession221122 Insulting people merely because they won't think as you tell them to, won't help them or you.

I do question governments, and it's becoming clear the UK one, with Boris Johnson as Prime Minister was muddled and behaved badly in handling the pandemic, but I trust anti-health campaigns even less.

@ArishMell your trust and a couple of pounds will buy you a coffee. Other than that there is no evidence that the Vax mandates wre ever more than a power grab

@ArishMell covid was the first man made pandemic. Every govt in the world was in on it. This was no accident.

@Confined Oh really!

Whatever the pandemic's real source, still not established, do you honestly think over two hundred governments of many different alliances and enmities, could or would collude in some strange, pointless, self-defeating attempt to try to cripple all their own societies and economies, and make as many people as ill - or dead - as possible? Just for the hell of it?

Was the 1918 Influenza pandemic a wilful, international conspiracy by governments? (That was the so-called "Spanish Flu" long known to have never originated in Spain, and now thought from a remote, very poor part of rural America),

Were the several Middle Ages to Renaissance, Black Death plagues started by God-Knows-Whom to create God-Knows-What contemporary equivalent of an Internet conspiracy-fantasy ?

@ArishMell Covid was planned. Fauci gave a speach just before it started saying, We are going to have a pandemic soon. Then covid happened. What an amazing coincidence! Yes every govt colluded with the WEF. This was about power. If you believe other wise I feel sorry that you are that naive. People in Government get rich quick, under socialism/communism. No more voting, or debating. Follow the money.

@Confined Do you always make false correlations? Or only ones that match your political beliefs irrelevant to any bacterium or virus?

We have had several epidemics at least this century, before Covid appeared. A medical lecturer studying health-care systems told me it was only by sheer hard work and care in the African country concerned that we did not have Ebola - a terrible haemorrhagic disease with a very high fatality rate - running around.

Dr. Fauci only warned another epidemic or pandemic would happen sooner or later. Of course it will. So will another, of some sort, sooner or later. Many doctors and epidemiologists warn of that.

Your claim is not even logical because it alleges something that cannot possibly be of any benefit to anyone; and diseases have nothing to do with party-politics, the WEF or anything like that.