Let's have a stateless and classless society

@deadgerbil that's in this current system

@Guitarman123 idk how you'd get a country like Russia or north Korea to go stateless, and if NATO countries decide to morph into some stateless entities, those other countries will eat the stateless for lunch

@deadgerbil ussr collapsed years ago your more socialist than north Korea

@Guitarman123 completely irrelevant

Go look at Ukraine rn and ask yourself if an unorganized stateless group with presumably no armed forces has a chance against Russia.

Try getting Putin and others to relinquish power first before making yourself weak and open to being eaten by them. It's very simple

@deadgerbil Ukraine not socialist. Neither is putin.

@Guitarman123 I never said they were socialist you dummy. You're almost as brain dead as the knuckleheads on the right.

You're advocating for stateless entities and presumably no military as that only in this current system, in your words.

Good luck turning a country into your ideal and having a chance at not being taken over by someone who doesn't decide to go stateless, something Russia or North Korea will never do. And that's the end of me reading your bs. Idk what's worse, your nonsense here or you posting about how sexy your sister is. Get your brain looked at

@deadgerbil you pretty much did and I'm stating that they had states and class divisions

@deadgerbil if your relying on fallacies then you can't be taken seriously

@Guitarman123 my words


Not that they were XD

Your inbred genes are on full display.

@deadgerbil again, your relying on fallacies

@Guitarman123 you made the accusation that I said x y z were socialist when I never did. Go back to school and learn how to read. You being home schooled and pickle rubbing with your sister doesn't cut it.

@deadgerbil take your own advice as like I've said your relying on fallacies.

@deadgerbil ill specify the fallacy for you. Ad hominem

@Guitarman123 me taking the p!ss out of you is totally irrelevant

You've shown yourself to be a person who lacks basic literacy. You somehow turned a hypothetical thought experiment using your stateless ideal into me somehow claiming that Ukraine and Putin are socialists. If you can't read, that's on you and there's no real debate you be had, so I have no issue with speculating over how you're an inbred dummy who gets pegged by his sister

@deadgerbil like I said, your relying on ad hominem which doesn't show you to have read anything

@deadgerbil all your doing is highlighting your inability to think like an adult

@Guitarman123
Nah I'm relying on what I didn't say and which there is no record of me saying and the fact that you made it up, perhaps bc you're an inbred dummy

@deadgerbil just going by the words you used to express yourself

@deadgerbil you Brought up Russia and north Korea within a context of which I'm actually speaking about supporting a stateless and classless society so bringing up two countries that are anything but those is just nonsense

@Guitarman123 you don't even know what is being said 💀

I asked you originally what would the military look like in the context of a stateless society

You said "[the military] is in this current system" that we are currently living in, presumably saying that there would be no military in a stateless society

Ukraine is a prime example that's in the news RN, where, were it to become stateless and with no military, would be devoured by a country like Russia.

Nowhere am I saying that Ukraine is currently socialist or Putin is. If a state became stateless with no military, it would run into serious issues.

A prerequisite for your stateless ideals to exist would be the elimination of an imperialistic state like Russia. And good luck getting Putin or Kim Jong Un to relinquish power lol. You literally can not exist if a state is chomping at the bit to invade and acquire more land, esp if you have no military to defend yourself with.

And this is totally based on reason, nothing is at variance with reality. Your entire argument is bad on its own. You lack logic.

The fact that I need to spell this out to you goes to show that you're a moron and I've no issue with tearing you a new one outside of proving your argument incorrect.

@deadgerbil ok sunshine, if that helps you feel better about yourself. I advocate no only for workers owning the means of production but a Co operative society where we all work together to improve our conditions and way of living.

@Guitarman123 ok guess what 💀 I want improved conditions of living and less corporate greed, for the workers to actually benefit, environmental protections, etc too. And no, a country adopting a stateless no military 'ideal' is not realistic at all. IF Ukraine were to do this tomorrow, all of its new stateless people would be taken over.

I'm not going to sit here and have some mf'er put words in my mouth that I never said. No patience at all. Clear as day that I never said that Ukraine rn is socialist or that Putin is. You can't read(?), on your effing self to sort yourself out.

What a effin inbred headache you are 💀

@deadgerbil I'm not saying it will happen overnight,unlikely will even happen in my lifetime but it's still an idea I support as regular working class people are struggling to survive in this current system and have done so for decades but thanks to spectacular images and entertainment media we are too pacified to attempt to make any kind of changes for the better.