Stop Having So Many Kids

@MartinTheFirst Because of human nature there are eight billion of us and humans are never going to settle for living in the trees not that it would help at this point because we have killed the natural habitat of so many animals that a wide majority of them are now vulnerable or even endangered...

We are greedy, we don't adapt to our environment.. we adapt our environment to us.

@Misanthropic Well you're saying a wide majority of animal species are endangered, however there are 7.7 billion of animal species in the world, are you saying that we have endangered 5+ billion species? (Since you said wide majority)


Sure we have a lot of negative traits, but how do we measure the effects of it on the world? Are we only negative for the environment? Some animal species without our help would have been wiped out by nature without us around.

So 8 billion people sounds like a lot, but how do we know that it's enough? How do you measure it? Just because it sounds like a large number it doesn't mean that it's overpopulation, we can barely grasp how much 8 billion even is, so we need to analyse it more deeply. Would 7 billion people be better than 8? Are you sure?

It seems too drastic to start depopulating on assumptions alone.

@MartinTheFirst You could be right there about the 7 billion species of animals it was a rather uninformed statement about the wide majority of animals to be honest 7 billion species sounds like a lot that makes me think you are counting various bacteria, insects, plants etc. Even then it sounds iffy so I'll have to look that up..

How do we measure that on the World? There are various scientists that study our impact on the environment our impact on the planet and the ecosystem is a big topic right now. This was more of a post in response to vegan preaching as a joke but of course I believe we are having a negative impact on the planet.

@Misanthropic Well I have no idea about how they got that number, i just did a 10 second google haha. It attributed about 2.7 billion species to aquatic life. Us humans have definitely not found that many species, so I would think that they did statistical analysis on how many species there should be, since we know that there's a shit ton we have not discovered yet, for example the Amazon jungle or whatever it's called, if I remember correctly, we have barely even touched when it comes to identifying species.

Yeah but this area of study is still in its infancy stage, people only recently started to care about it for real about 5-10 years ago and maybe most who can make a change don't even care yet. They call it "greenwashing", it's the new popular thing to do in the industry. Not because it's good for the environment, but because they notice that consumers care so they generate more income that way.

@Misanthropic Personally the entire environmentalist thing just makes me feel sick. We clearly do not have enough data. Scientists methods of measuring our effect on the environment is debatable. People are extremely biased and most have an agenda that makes them untrustworthy... For example the stupid ass eco packaging that the industry is pushing on us that is good for nothing, where it turns out that creating paper packaging is worse for the environment than using plastic, and a freaking world power banning PLASTIC STRAWS!!! to feel a bit good about themselves, ultimately having 0 real world effect other than ruining my milkshake.

I prefer just living a normal life and not doing anything that hurts the environment beyond what is necessary and feel good with that.