There are 2 ways of looking at the judgement.

1) conservative approach - women rights are taken away.
2) Neo matrix approach -. Women are already given the right to have sex at their own will but as a consequence, a woman can not supercede the rights of a new born - to be man or woman -to see this world. They have equal right to see this world. How can a woman take the right of someone who can not speak on his/her own?

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I think the crux is where you determine human life has begun in the sense of holding rights

On this America's views range from - a potential life should not be prevented through contraception to a fully developed baby born alive as a result of abortion has no inherent right to life

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Thanks for BA 😊

TheOrionbeltseeker · 36-40, M

@SW-User It is Best.

By the way, if we can give rights to trees, then, there should have been no problem giving it to undeveloped human beings.

luckranger71 · 51-55, M

If this collection of cells is a "person" from the moment of conception, then it follows that they should be counted for the census, they can be used as deductions and child support should be due from the moment of conception. It also follows that law enforcement can then track women from the moment of conception to ensure the safety of this clump of cells.

In short, your ideas are ludicrous. The majority opinion is poorly reasoned and it's narrow reading of the 14th amendment absolutely puts at issue the following rights (at minimum): contraception, interracial marriage, same sex sexual relations and same sex marriage.

The United States took a giant step back from the rest of the developed world yesterday.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@TheOrionbeltseeker If paid leave for a pregnant woman is good, wouldn't paid leave for a new mother ALSO be good?? But conservatives consistently reject it!

luckranger71 · 51-55, M

@SW-User Read Thomas's concurrence. Those rights are at issue. And we all know that Kavanaugh and Barrett have already lied at their confirmation hearings, so their assurances mean nothing.

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@luckranger71 Yes I have. Horrifying.

Thanks for explaining from where you have derived your opinion.

LadyGrace · 70-79

I think in God's view, all humans have a right to life/live. They weren't born for us to decide if they get to live or have a right to live. That's messed up, people taking a life, at will. It's still murder...any way you look at it, in God's eyes, nor is it up to us to "determine" where life began.

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@LadyGrace I think I was wrong too about the mechanism for the birth control pill, although not in terms of what I had heard in the arguments against its use.

I found this online on a medical website:

"Hormonal contraceptives prevent pregnancy in a few ways. Most importantly, the hormones (either synthetic progesterone or a combination of synthetic progesterone and synthetic estrogen) preventovulation, the process by which an egg matures, leaves the ovaries, and enters the fallopian tubes for fertilization. No ovulation? No egg to be fertilized—meaning no pregnancy. The hormones also thicken the cervical mucus, preventing sperm from entering the fallopian tubes in the first place, and change the lining of the uterus to discourage an embryo from implanting there."

LadyGrace · 70-79

@SW-User Right. I was wrong about that too, is what I was saying.

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@LadyGrace I think it is nuanced as the preventing implantation is a side effect of suppressing ovulation - it could be argued to be an unintended consequence

I am not aguing this myself, I have mixed views on abortion - though I recognise conception is indeed the starting point of that unique little individual life

Personally, I did IVF and I would not have been able to "destroy" "leftover" embryos. They were my children.

Also seeing a blastocyst on screen filled me with awe and relevance

In the end it wasn't an issue 😔

Anyway, I don't believe it is reasonable to impose my view on anyone else as I know that my view and experience isn't a common one. I'm also not religious, although that was probably the closest I've come to "knowing God."

It was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. It was a living Cathedral.

Bad4U · 22-25, F

LadyGrace · 70-79

I think there are many ways to look at judgment. There's judgment everywhere you go. Of course except nudity, what gives a human being the right or the government, the right, to tell women how to dress? That is not individual freedom. That is control and manipulation. Men would not put up with being covered from head to toe during any season, for any reason. This is slavery and it needs to stop. These poor women.