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Blocked by someone trying to deny climate change, LOL!!!

As some of you may know, I've accumulated numerous graphs and images and links regarding climate change, and I readily deploy them to counter climate change deniers.

This onslaught of facts and figure can be dispiriting to some deniers, such as this one, who deleted many of my posts and blocked me! I'm sure there's room for a snowflake joke here somewhere, [b]LOL!!![/b]

https://similarworlds.com/environment/climate-change/4798302-There-is-no-climate-emergency-Why-do-so-many-nut-cases-say
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Anyone who denies climate change will continue denying it no matter what occurs. They came to their conclusion without evidence, evidence will not change their mind.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Strictgram Sure thing buddy all us non-Americans are in a conspiracy to ruin your economy that makes way more sense.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula Perfectly put.
Here's an example of what they blocked:

[quote]but I've yet to hear a rational explanation of how miniscule increases in an atmospheric trace gas such as CO2, causes the earth to warm.[/quote] It's because CO2 & methane are transparent to visible light but more opaque to infrared. The solar energy comes pouring in via the visible spectrum, but the heat can't leave so easily via the infrared spectrum due to that opacity. Kids' version:
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/explainer-co2-and-other-greenhouse-gases
idealized quantitative model: https://www.climate-policy-watcher.org/coriolis-force/a-simple-mathematical-model-of-the-greenhouse-effect.html

[quote] In order to actually prove human carbon emissions influence climate, all variables would have to remain constant[/quote] Nope. With multiple data points we can solve for multiple variables simultaneously. Detailed climate models account for all the variables you list and more. They are verified and calibrated based on 700,000 years of prior climate data.
http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/climate.html

[quote] Global warming models are based on small amounts of data. The earth is 4.6 billion years old, and we are expected to believe they can draw conclusions based on a hockey stick graph with 50 years of data?[/quote]
Nope, not 50 years, 800,000 years, covering about 7 ice ages. The climate data comes from bubbles in glacial ice, and is corroborated by data from lake & sea floor sediments.
https://icecores.org/about-ice-cores
CO2 & methane & temp data

Here's [i]where[/i] the various data sets were collected:

The most salient thing about the 800,000 years of climate data is the rate of change during those previous 7 ice ages compared to the current rate of change this century.

[quote] Where does the money for climate research come from?[/quote]
Fair question - it comes mostly from the National Science Foundation. Equally fair: where does the money for climate denial come from? The US oil industry makes about $110 [i]billion[/i] per year; coal another $20 billion. Big Oil spends $3.6 billion per year on advertising; a sum equal to about 8X the whole NSF climate budget. You're not naive enough to believe [i]none[/i] of that money goes to propaganda, are you?
novaguy2u · 70-79, M
@Livingwell Don't overlook the methane released from the tundra as it thaws.
@novaguy2u I believe that has been showing up in current measurements of atmospheric methane.
@ElwoodBlues Of course they blocked that. Gawd forbid they [b]learn[/b] something.
Ynotisay · M
Global warming doesn't exist, Covid was a hoax, Trump really won the election, the 'end times' are approaching, the moon landing was fake, Sandy Hook was a false flag, Democrats eat babies, the earth is flat, 5G causes cancer and on and on and on.

There's always been demented individuals in society. In the old days they'd stand on a corner with a sign the read "The end is near" and they were dismissed as fools. But the internet changed the game. It opened the door for weak-minded, fear-driven individuals to coalesce, feed and support each other's lunacy.

Like Goebbels said, "If your repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will come to believe it yourself."

I don't know how, or if, that cat gets put back in the bag.
@Ynotisay And reality has a liberal bias!!

Ynotisay · M
@ElwoodBlues There you go. There's a reason they're against education. It's a gateway to reality.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@ElwoodBlues Yes in Canada they say that the media has a liberal bias but its just the facts.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
Now he is taking a break from similar worlds, I guess you fucked him up.
@JimboSaturn I can't see the profile; thanks for the info!
GeorgeTBH · 31-35, M
You are like mr information you always come prepared 🙂
CestManan · 46-50, F
Of course corporations are the biggest polluters but they try to claim it is our fault.

Not much has been done to help things nor will it be because that would interfere with company and shareholder profits. It kind of sucks really.

They keep making cars bigger and bigger. They claim EV's help but all they do is transfer the pollution.
People could work from home which would save gasoline and time BUT companies want them back in the office so they can more easily micromanage their workers.

It is not about whether or not climate change is real, it is about if anyone seems to give a damn.
On an individual level it would be easy to help but like I said, companies are not about to sacrifice profit.
MartinII · 70-79, M
“Climate change” happens all the time. I think perhaps you mean “global warming”. No-one who has seen the evidence will deny that global warming has been happening recently, though only for a relatively short time. Equally, no-one can claim that they know for certain how the climate will change in the near, or more distant, future. I suggest you get off your high horse and start thinking.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Ynotisay The only thing I’m fighting against is misrepresentation. And my only opinion on the matter is that anyone who claims certainty about the future is wrong.
Ynotisay · M
@MartinII First, there isn't a legitimate climate scientist in the world who claims certainty. That's not how science works outside of some agreed upon truths. Gravity exists. We need oxygen to live. That kind of thing. They DO know that if we maintain the current path the climate WILL respond accordingly. And that's entirely because of the scientific process.

And as far as misrepresentation that means nothing to me. Just like your opinion means nothing. It doesn't change the truth or the facts. And if there's misrepresentation sir it's pretty freaking easy to see where it's coming from. And why.

But the part that fires me up is because of that blatant lies and propaganda around this by those fighting for their profit, along with a host of other issues, is that people are convinced to fight against what's in their own best interest. No different than Trump's strategy. We know how it's done, we know who the audience is and we know the outcome.

Typically I don't care what fools think and do. But when it impacts MY life, and the lives of hundreds of millions,even billions of people, it's nothing but disgusting. The smart and 'good' pay for the ignorant and 'bad." I'm over it. it's pitiful.
@MartinII As pointed out earlier by @Ynotisay, the human component is unpredictable, and one of the ways this shows up is that humans have been cutting their CO2 & methane outputs over the last few decades. So the older models based on 1990 outputs or year 2000 outputs are now in need of adjustment. The "tipping points" predicted earlier have been pushed into the future by humanity's reductions in greenhouse gasses.

Some try to paint this as a failure of the models. In a technical sense, their predictions are no longer accurate, however, it is the publicizing of the models that has driven humanity's change, so in another sense, it's a huge success of the models.


USA per capita CO2 reductions - down over 30% in the past 2 decades! Europe has had less dramatic reductions, but Europeans' avg output started at less than half of ours.
pdxlinux · 41-45, M
you are doing good work. i am honored and encouraged by your posts. i hope that positive action can result, but, i personally feel convinced that we are past the point of no return. the amazon rainforest is now deforesting itself, forest fires are getting out of control, and rivers that supply drinking water are dry. it's too little too late.
SandWitch · 26-30, F
@pdxlinux
Aren't you just a refreshing breath of fresh air to have along on a family outing!
Nothing left to do now except become a Republican and end it all for yourself. 🙄
I've been blocked by someone, "nite doc" who can't support his claims about "identifying as cats and dogs" and "requesting litter trays."
Snowflake chose to block me rather than supply evidence, [b]LOL!!![/b]

https://similarworlds.com/life/4956605-Students-Identify-As-Animals-Cats-Dogs
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@ElwoodBlues Yep I saw that post, I thought everyone knew that was debunked a long time ago.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@JimboSaturn Anyone paying attention knows that was another fake right-wing story that was debunked years ago.
[b]LOL!!![/b]
No Thanks Leon just blocked me for pointing out that his personal attacks were just as unoriginal as my identifying them as ad hominem with memes🤣😂

https://similarworlds.com/groups/similar-worlds/4995391-I-lost-3-debates-last-week-One-woman-used-a-middle-finger
CestManan · 46-50, F
@ElwoodBlues Why do people argue and block over subjects that none of us has any individual control over.

Well except Greta thunberg when she says "How dare you!" and we all feel tremendous guilt 🙄
Pfloyd121 · 46-50, M
But dumbfuck trump said climate change is a hoax surely he wouldnt lie about something like that ?
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Pfloyd121 He is always so honest and well informed.
@Pfloyd121 Here's an image of that very tweet!!

JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@ElwoodBlues Oh man this sounds like an SW user.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
They have already blocked me, probably for pointing out their obvious factual errors!
I think they also blocked these photos showing shrinkage of glaciers:


Muir Glacier, Alaska

Muir Glacier and Inlet, Alaska, 1880s and 2005

Carroll Glacier, Alaska, 1906 and 2004

Grinnell Glacier, Montana, 1926 and 2008

Bear Glacier from space 1980. 1989, 2011

Bear Glacier from the air 2002, 2007

Glacier shrinkage driving global changes in downstream systems
[b]https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1619807114[/b]

Accelerated global glacier mass loss in the early twenty-first century
[b]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03436-z[/b]
[quote]Using largely untapped satellite archives, we chart surface elevation changes at a high spatiotemporal resolution over all of Earth’s glaciers. We extensively validate our estimates against independent, high-precision measurements and present a globally complete and consistent estimate of glacier mass change. We show that during 2000–2019, glaciers lost a mass of 267 ± 16 gigatonnes per year, equivalent to 21 ± 3 per cent of the observed sea-level rise6. We identify a mass loss acceleration of 48 ± 16 gigatonnes per year per decade, explaining 6 to 19 per cent of the observed acceleration of sea-level rise. [/quote]
DogMan · 61-69, M
I believe the Climate has changed, and is changing. Sometimes in good ways.
Sometimes in bad ways. Do you think we will ever be able to control the climate?

I hear that someone is working on ways to change the weather, but I don't know
if that would change the worlds climate.
@DogMan Yes, I think that the accumulation of greenhouse gasses over the last 100 or so years has had a measurable effect on temperatures. And the system has 'momentum,' so reducing CO2 outputs won't have an instantaneous effect; there's still more temperature rise baked in. Higher CO2 isn't really a problem; plants love it. Higher temps aren't a problem in most areas.

The problem is sea level rise due to glacial melting; mostly glaciers in Antarctica where most of the ice is. Many major cities are near sea level, and a two or three foot rise starts to become costly. For me, the argument is a cost-benefit argument: which is cheaper, erecting sea walls around many major cities and seaports, or reducing CO2 output?

A secondary effect is that some areas become drier and some wetter, so farmland that's good now might not be good in a generation or two. Supporting few million acres worth of failing farms isn't as big a deal as preventing floods in low lying cities.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Has Antarctica been melting? I have heard about melting in the Artic.,
but not Antarctica.
@DogMan Here's a copypasta from my climate change parking place. Satellites in polar orbits pass over Antarctica and (with GPS to measure orbital altitude) can make detailed radar measurements of the "altitude" of the ice masses there. That's the source of the estimates mentioned below.

Antarctica
[media=https://youtu.be/AmSovbt5Bho]

[quote]April 1, 2021. The Antarctic ice sheet's mass has changed over the last decades. Research based on satellite data indicates that between 2002 and 2020, Antarctica shed an average of 149 billion metric tons of ice per year, adding to global sea level rise.Apr 1, 2021
. . .
Areas in East Antarctica experienced modest amounts of mass gain due to increased snow accumulation. However, this gain is more than offset by significant ice mass loss on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (dark red) over the 19-year period. Floating ice shelves whose mass change GRACE and GRACE-FO do not measure are colored gray.[/quote]
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/265/video-antarctic-ice-mass-loss-2002-2020/

[quote]For Antarctica, BEDMAP2 and Bedmachine provides the most complete and up-to-date estimate of ice volume, and it is derived by combining thousands of radar and seismic measurements of ice thickness [2,3].

In fact, BEDMAP 2 is derived from 25 million measurements. Fretwell et al. 2013 estimated that the Antarctic Ice Sheet comprised 27 million km3 of ice, with a sea level equivalent of ~58 m. BedMachine estimates the sea level equivalent of Antarctica to be 57.9±0.9m [/quote]
https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/estimating-glacier-contribution-to-sea-level-rise/
And I have enjoyed your factual items!
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@SomeMichGuy They are usually just ignored because they make too much sense.
Livingwell · 61-69, M
One can simply look out the door and look at all of hurricanes, flooding, and the glaciers to see proof. Glaciers don't magically disappear. Fish patterns changed too. Must be my empty pole's imagination.
DavidScott · 51-55, M
climate change deniers and trump supporters have no use for facts.
Ynotisay · M
@DavidScott But what the gullibility is driven by, and how it's represented in so many factions of life, is where I have a problem. Anything that gets in the way of positive progress and bettering lives, while creating negative consequences for others, is where I jump off the "all opinions matter' train. They may be decent on a one-on-one basis, but their beliefs cause harm. So I can't see them as 'decent."
DavidScott · 51-55, M
@Ynotisay It does look pretty hopeless right now. The Russians are mostly to blame. They've got trump and fox "news" in their pocket. But, I'm an optimist. I think it'll all work out in the end.
Ynotisay · M
@DavidScott IMO, optimism is one of the defining lines in the sand.
I think they also blocked this sea level rise data

Anonymized-hj says: [quote]The oceans have not risen a millimeter. Again you are WRONG
[/quote]
Sea level rise, mm/year, as measured by GPS

Anonymized-hj says: [quote] There has been no increase in sea levels.[/quote]
Actually, sea levels have risen 6 to 8 inches in the past 100 years. But the process continues even after the warming stops.

[quote]Between about 21,000 years and about 11,700 years ago, Earth warmed about 4 degrees C (7.2 degrees F), and the oceans rose (with a slight lag after the onset of warming) about 85 meters, or about 280 feet. However, sea levels continued to rise another 45 meters (about 150 feet) after the warming ended, to a total of 130 meters (from its initial level, before warming began), or about 430 feet, reaching its modern level about 3,000 years ago.

This means that, even after temperatures reached their maximum and leveled off, the ice sheets continued to melt for another 8,000 years until they reached an equilibrium with temperatures.

Stated another way, the ice sheets’ response to warming continued for 8,000 years after warming had already ended, with the meltwater contribution to global sea levels totaling 45 additional meters of sea-level rise.

From about 3,000 years ago to about 100 years ago, sea levels naturally rose and declined slightly, with little change in the overall trend. Over the past 100 years, global temperatures have risen about 1 degree C (1.8 degrees F), with sea level response to that warming totaling about 160 to 210 mm (with about half of that amount occurring since 1993), or about 6 to 8 inches. And the current rate of sea-level rise is unprecedented over the past several millennia.[/quote]

https://www.globalchange.gov/browse/indicators/global-sea-level-rise

8000 years of sea levels

Sea levels have been quite stable for the last 2000 years while humans built coastal cities. Climate change now threatens to raise sea levels and swamp those cities.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@ElwoodBlues Like Trump, they just make up facts. They all read the same websites. I can tell because two of them used the same expression "grifter" literrally one after the other. They must have just read the same site.
supersnipe · 61-69, M
Didn't used to get woken up by the wind as often as I have been lately. Surely no coincidence ....
@CestManan says [quote] Besides, people who do worry about climate change would not be willing to change their own earth-destroying lifestyles anyways. [/quote]
And yet, and yet, and yet, here in the US we have reduced our per capita CO2 emission by over 30% since the year 2000. In other words, the data say you are DEAD WRONG.


In the US there are big variations state to state, but it all reflects people adjusting their lifestyles to cause investment in renewable energy sources.

The EU has likewise been reducing; not by as large a percentage but they started at a much lower point.


_https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Matheus-Koengkan/publication/359438456/figure/fig1/AS%3A1137102968365058%401648117882866/CO2-emissions-metric-tons-per-capita-EU-between-1960-to-2018-The-authors-created-this.png_

Someone who either I’ve blocked or has already blocked me. Generally people who are anti-science choose to remain ignorant about many subjects, alas. 😒
deadgerbil · 22-25
I already blocked that fool
CestManan · 46-50, F
It is because some of your posts drone on and on. Nice that you are using stuff to back your stance on things but people do not want to read endless graphs and other junk.

Besides, whether this climate change is such a catastrophe or not, no one really cares at this point.
Ha ha, I'm blocked
SW-User
Maybe their block button can also block the change.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
One of mine.

https://similarworlds.com/experiences/archived-stories/1466594-A-few-weeks-ago-a-gentleman-wrote-in-to-put-down
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
Those people are so stupid. They cannot see reason.
GeorgeTBH · 31-35, M
@ElwoodBlues i often wonder how some people could even tie shoes people are something
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@GeorgeTBH they can’t see reason, it’s complete cognitive dissonance.
GeorgeTBH · 31-35, M
@iamonfire696 yup exactly
swirlie · 31-35, F
Denial is born from a basis of intense fear. The fear can be from an unrelated source to what a person appears to be fearful of, but that fear permeates everything in a person's existence if psychologically, they've plateaued at a place in their state of conscious awareness that they have never been able to negotiate with or migrate away from.

Their subsequent denial of the truth about anything and everything in life, then spills into every aspect of their lives which then becomes evident as a causal factor for the early onset of vascular dementia among those over 40.

Dementia is no longer considered an 'elderly person's mental illness', but instead is being recognized as a mental state of 'hiding', where a person is consciously aware of everything going on around them, yet pretend they are obtuse in their demeanor as they literally 'hide' within the confines of their fear.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@swirlie No, for those over 40 and probably those who are even younger, it is because we have seen the same scares recycled several times yet the world is still here.

Classic scares like WW3, climate change, the rapture, etc... been hearing that since at least the 1950's.

Besides, people who do worry about climate change would not be willing to change their own earth-destroying lifestyles anyways.
swirlie · 31-35, F
@CestManan
What you are speaking about has nothing to do with my post. Please relocate your own post to the OP's "Add a comment" block associated with his post. Thank you!
SandWitch · 26-30, F
They have to maintain their right-wing facade by denouncing all talk of climate change or else risk losing their lifetime membership to the Donald Trump Club.
SandWitch · 26-30, F
Baremine blocked me yesterday because I challenged his perception that public breast-feeding meant that between mother and infant, it was also considered a legal act between himself and his wife in public spaces!
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