Trumps legacy to the US

@hippyjoe1955 For starters, not politicizing simple and effective tools like mask wearing and social distancing.

@Lila15 Masks don't work. Don't take my word for it, ask Fauci. Social distancing doesn't work either nor do lockdowns. You need to do evidence based science instead of expert based science. There is a huge difference.

@hippyjoe1955 If masks don't work, why do surgeons wear them?

@Lila15 The masks the surgeons wear are to keep bodily fluids from being transmitted both ways. The surgeon may drool or the body being operated on may spurt. Neither outcome is desirable. No doctor wears a mask thinking it will prevent transmission of a bacteria or virus. The holes in the mask are simply too huge. Then there is the problem that the masks don't seal around the edges. Ask anyone who wears glasses.

@hippyjoe1955 You're mistaken. Medical masks are designed to stop pathogens. And masks do seal around the edges, that's what the metal strip is for.

If masks work for doctors, they work for everyone else. I agree that cloth masks aren't as effective as medical masks, and wearing a mask under your nose or chin defeats the purpose.

The only reason you don't like masks is because you associate wearing them with liberalism, no other reason. If Trump had worn a mask with "MAGA" printed on it and recommended his followers to wear them to stop the "China virus," conservatives would wear them 24/7, even to bed.

@Lila15 No they are not. Try wearing one at a virology lab and see how far you get. An aerosolled virus such as covid can easily pass through or around the mask and spread for about 30 feet. It remains airborne for quite a while and thus all the measures put out by the 'experts' were little more than window dressing. I did an analysis based on 4 cities in my province. Everyone of them put in a masking mandate at a different time. There was a very strange pattern. The virus has a two week incubation period and if you get exposed to the virus and don't get sick within the next two weeks you will be fine. In each city two weeks after the masks became mandatory there should hav been a drastic drop in cases. EXACTLY the opposite happened. Two weeks after the masks the case counts jumped very dramatically. If the medical experts had been honest and not acting under orders they would have cancelled the mask mandates immediately. They didn't and the people continued to get sick.

@hippyjoe1955 Again, if you're working in a virology lab, you're not concerned with making other people sick; you're concerned about not getting sick yourself, so the protocols are totally different.

COVID is a new virus and masks were not the only thing affecting its spread. What was noticed almost everywhere where masks and social distancing was followed was a drop in flu cases. Flu is also a virus, so if your theory is correct, flu cases shouldn't have been affected at all. Of course the tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory says that doctors were falsely attributing flu deaths to COVID because Bill Gates was paying them to or something.

While masks are not finely-woven enough to stop viruses, since exhaled viruses are carried by water droplets, even non-medical cloth masks do stop those and are more effective than nothing.

@Lila15 No if you are working in a virology lab you know that only a tightly sealed pressurized suit with external air supply is capable of preventing transmission of a virus in either direction. Any other mask is simply incapable of doing the job. The 'medical mask' is even worse since it does not seal or properly filter. They are worse than nothing since they act to further break down the virus aerosol particles to even finer particles.

@hippyjoe1955 If that was the case, then people would be at higher risk of infection if they were operated on by doctors wearing masks, than by doctors not wearing masks. This is separate from doctors drooling on their patients or fluids being squirted.

Just admit that you're cherry-picking the evidence because you think mask-wearing is being pushed by "liberals," so you don't want to do it for that reason alone.

@Lila15 They don't wear masks to prevent the transmission of viruses and bacteria. However as my friend who recently underwent surgery on his knee observed, only the surgeons directly working on the wound were masked. Everyone else in the room had no mask. The fact is medicine is an archaic art form that holds on to tradition. Back when Florence Nightingale was trying to convince surgeons to wash their hands before operating masks became the norm. Back in the day they thought the mask helped prevent infection. No test was ever performed but they became ubiquitous.

@hippyjoe1955 My father recently had throat surgery and he says everyone in the room was masked.

@Lila15 And that proves what? That medical staff know what they are doing or they have been sold a bill of goods? I was recently in the hospital and all the staff were masked too. They were on covid alert. I asked a doctor about it and he laughed. He said exactly what I say. Masks don't prevent transmission of viruses or bacteria but they make for great theatre.

@hippyjoe1955 If you had that same skepticism over Big Pharma and the medical insurance industry, I might take you seriously. But it’s suspicious if you’re only concerned about masks and not the obscene profits medical insurance companies are making.

@Lila15 if you think I am pro big pharma or pro insurance you are very mistaken. I live in Canada. We don't pay insurance fees. We pay huge tax bills instead.

@hippyjoe1955 Here in the US we pay huge bills for service that ranges from OK to very good. Medical care is only cheap if you don’t need it. And our taxes are high here, too.

I assume you’re not Jewish. If a friend invited you to a synagogue and you were asked to wear a yarmulke, would you refuse on the grounds that since it’s not part of your religion, it’s not necessary? Or would you be polite and put it on anyway, even if you thought it was silly?

If wearing a mask makes other people more comfortable, what’s the problem? Do you just get a kick out of being obnoxious?

@Lila15 Yeah here in Canada we work until July 7 on average of every year to pay the tax bill. What's more we have we have terrible health care. If you are lucky and get sick while the government has lots of money you get reasonable service even if it is second or third tier. However if you get sick after the government runs out of money you are put on a waiting list that can stretch for years. My wife had lymphoma. She was diagnosed when the gvt had money and was treated promptly and recovered nicely. My cousin was not so lucky. She had the same cancer but was put on a waiting list and died during the course of her treatments. The treatments were too late. The waiting list was 2.5 years long. I am not Jewish and I have gone to a completed Jewish synagogue. I did not wear a yarmulke since as a Christian male I am told in the Bible that for me to cover my head in prayer or prophecy I insult God. No one in the synagogue asked any questions and we had a wonderful time of celebration. I certainly not the only man not wearing a yarmulke. However there is a big difference between faith based practices and science based practices. Science shows that masks don't work. Why would I argue with science over such a silly practice.

@hippyjoe1955 When people were forced to wear masks in the USA the covid cases skyrocketed.
There were far fewer cases in my home city before mask mandates, and the cases went up in the thousands when people were told to wear them.

@Confined Yeah exactly the same here. Masks turn the virus into aerosol and thus increase the spread of it. That and the fact that sick people think they are OK to be out and about because they are wearing a mask and can not spread the disease. The mask certainly doesn't stop an aerosol. Look at the fog that builds up on a person's glasses if you put on a mask. The mist is aerosol water. If it is getting through or around your mask the virus is doing exactly the same thing.

@hippyjoe1955 I agree that masks don't work.

But I think people should be out and about regardless, even if they are sick. This virus is nothing more than a flu and no body has lockdowns over seasonal flus

@Stargazer89 I won't go so far as to say that sick people should be out and about. If you are sick you should stay home if at all possible. I don't think you should be forced to stay home but you likely will recover more quickly if you get some rest.

@hippyjoe1955 my biggest worry is that the CDC and the rest of these fake doctors and scientists will fear monger about new covid variants. A big reason why they did this to begin with was to tarnish Trump's economy/success.

My only complaint with Trump is that he helped create these poisonous vaccines with his 'warp speed' thing. I ain't taking that vax even if he gave it to me personally.

@Stargazer89 Completely agree. I lost a lot of respect for Trump over the way he handled covid and his solution to the 'problem'. He would have been far better off to clean house at the CDC and the FDA etc and put in some real doctors who treat real patients. The buttheads that finished medical school and went straight into the bureaucracy should be fired and their type never hired again.

@hippyjoe1955 in a few years, we're gonna see the effects of his solution to the problem. That's how it always is. Drugs, vaccines get distributed, and then years later, there's a ton of medical issues and lawsuits will be filed.

I'm kinda p*ssed that my tax money went to this project warp speed. My only guess is that he sold himself out to big pharma and whoever else makes money from vaccines. Fauci is raking in the money bc of all this stuff. Can never trust these billionaires I guess. They are in bed with everyone, regardless of how mean they may be to the people they claim to despise.

@Stargazer89 I don't know that he sold out. I think he was pretty much force politically to do something and his best instinct was a vaccine. I don't agree with him but I do understand why he did what he did. He did have other options but I don't know that he could have fired the entire CDC and FDA in the midst of a 'pandemic' (what the people believe not me) and get away with it when the CDC had got everyone into a panic.

@hippyjoe1955 You can get great care in the US if you can afford it, or if you're willing to go bankrupt. Around one-fourth of bankruptcies are due to medical bills. Canada has a mixed public/private system, so it sounds like it works about as well as the system we have here.

If you were in a reform synagogue, then wearing a yarmulke is optional. I guess you wouldn't set foot into an Orthodox synagogue.

Interestingly, many American conservatives revere Israel, yet aren't aware that they have socialized medicine. And from what Israelis tell me, it works very well.