U.S. Electoral College

@joe438 In addition, everybody who wants the popular vote wants it because it suits their political desires. This guy wants the popular vote because he is a traditional Democrat and the popular vote helps his party.

It's the same nonsense with the Supreme Court. The Dems want to pack it now because they are butthurt that there is a Conservative majority for the foreseeable future.

It's not about what's best for the country. It's about what is best for their personal wants and desires.

@joe438 That's your reasoning? Seriously? I bet you've never been to either of those states, huh?

@Ynotisay I had a consulting project in CA for two years and lived in NY for 15. I watched as NYC went from being a sewer to being cleaned up to becoming a sewer again but I saw some of that happen from upstate. Big cities shouldn’t have more of a day than states with a higher land/occupant ratio. We are a federation of states making up a country and not just a single entity.

@SumKindaMunster says you. Yes, I am voting for democrats, but I haven't always voted for democrats. I've always been an independent and until the Republican party became a cess pool, I voted for more than one Republican president.

Beginning in late 2018 I saw a marked change in the party. Their masks started slipping an by the time Trump came on board, l had pretty much seen all I needed to see to know it would be unlikely I would be voting Republican again.

Since then, the party has become a cesspool led by one of, if not the worst excuses for a human being I can remember.

His arrival encouraged the masks to come off.

So yeah, you are wrong. I do want what is best for the country. Trump ain't it. The Republican party (or the MAGA crowd) isn't it either.

And, I've long thought letting a handfull of states with small populations decide who becomes president is wrong. The majority, right or wrong should decide.

@joe438 Oh that absolutely should. Federal laws aren't state laws. Different things. Those higher land states are already far over-represented in the Senate. They're also the states, "red" in general, that take most of the federal funding. Why should large states pay for others if they're not represented equally?
Question though. You didn't mention Texas and Florida which both have bigger populations than New York. Are they OK? Why?

@Ontheroad That's a lot to read confirming what I already said. You don't like Republicans, you prefer Democrats and their political goals. You reference the "majority". You overlook the concept of states rights which is part of the equation here. Why should only the populations of New York and California decide who the President is? How is that fair to the people of Wyoming, Alaska, Hawaii, Connecticut, or Delaware? Shouldn't they also have a say?

@Ynotisay California and New York famously have LA and NYC, and massively large cities with a high percentage of the state population skew the state’s vote. Texas and Florida simply don’t have the lopsided population orientations of CA and NY.

@Ontheroad Then you don't like Republicans. There are no more non Trump supporting Republicans...they all defected to the Democrat party. Liz Cheney is not a Republican. She was roundly rejected by the fine people of Wyoming for turning on Trump and openly advocating for his arrest and the arrest and prosecution of some of his supporters.


Again, as I already said, it isn't. What about these states?
I lived in 3 of them. I can assure you nobody would bother to vote if they knew the election was gong to be decided by New York and California. This country is NOT the Coastal elites, its the millions that make up the middle of the country.

@joe438 No city has the votes to elect a president.

@SumKindaMunster Okay, then what about the millions who vote in states controlled by an opposing party? Why would they vote?

I lived in two of them... what's your point?

@Ontheroad That's a good point and the answer I would give is that they have a better shot of flipping the state controlled by the opposing party as opposed to going against the majorities in New York and Cali.

I firmly believe if we did that, the Presidential candidates would focus all their time and money on the several popular states and that would disenfranchise more people than the current system.

@SumKindaMunster not really. I've also, and currently do live in a red state. The chances of flipping the state are somewhere between very unlikely and impossible.

@Ontheroad Ok well that's how people in every other state besides the 4-5 most populous states would feel if we switched to the popular vote. I don't see how it makes things better unless, as I said, you agree with the people of California and New York on the direction the country should go.

@SumKindaMunster I don't know that it would make things better, just that it would create a fair system for electing our president.

It's all a rather moot point... it will never happen, but that doesn't change how wrong it is.