U.S. Electoral College

@SumKindaMunster being the rule doesn't mean it's ethical or right.

@Ontheroad Well I would argue that point as well. The Electoral College prevents California and New York from determining our leader and gives smaller states like Wyoming a stronger say in who we elect. If you just believe that this was implemented cuz racism, then you are just listening to Democrat dogma.

@SumKindaMunster Americans freely travel to and live in different states all the time. No one is somehow politically attached to any one state. I've lived in 3 different states myself. No other democracy has anything as ridiculous as the electoral college. In every other country the popular vote is just the vote. One person one vote.

No taxation without representaion. (Slogan of the American revolution.)

@SumKindaMunster whenever one person's vote is more important than another's, it is wrong. Where they live has zip to do with it.

@Ontheroad It's neither objectively right or wrong. It goes against your wants which is to make the popular vote the standard for determining the winner of the Presidential election. Of course you think its "wrong."

@badminton You're touching on states rights vs federal rights. It's not JUST the Presidential election that hinges on the population of a state, but a whole host of things are tied to that.

Are you willing to compromise to get what you want? Sounds like a great deal for you since clearly the popular vote favors your political wants, but what are you willing to give up to get what you want? Would you consider a voter id law? Restrictions on gerrymandering? Reform of the campaign finance laws? These things all go hand in hand, and if you want change you need to think about how you would compromise on this.

@SumKindaMunster yep, I 'd support each and every one of those things... including voter ID. The ID would have to cost little or nothing and applying for it would have to be simple and readily available to all.

@Ontheroad Isn't it tragic to contemplate that...here we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but there are SO many things we agree on that could be done to make America and American lives better...but we will spend all our time bickering about Ukraine, Israel, and the border....amongst other things...

@SumKindaMunster it is, and it's something we need to resolve.

I think one way to get there is to have "clean" legislation. One issue, one Bill.

@badminton Canada doesn't elect politicians to office based on popular vote except at the municipal level

@Ontheroad Agreed. Enough of the omnibus nonsense. Vote and debate on each bill. Sorry if that cuts into your precious time Congress.

@SumKindaMunster Yep, and it wouldn't cut into their time, not at all. A clean bill is easy to draft, easy to bring to the floor and easy/quick to vote on.

In the end, it might save them time.

@SumKindaMunster Plus, and I suspect this would be a big plus, we could balance our budget in a few years.

No more pork barrel spending (all the crapola tacked on to each and every bill) would be a great way to start.

@SumKindaMunster Exactly why they do it.