This post may contain Mildly Adult content.
Mildly AdultAsking
Only logged in members can reply and interact with the post.
Join SimilarWorlds for FREE »

Question for all regardless of where you live...

I've been following the U.S. vs TikTok court battle and along with other cases in the recent past, I'm wondering if it is time for "Big Brother" to limit/ban/censor or otherwise have a say so on what sites and what content is permissible on the internet.

If so, under what conditions and who makes the judgments?

If not, then why not?

I'd like to get your thoughts and ideas... I'm for some limited and well-defined constraints/bans, etc., but I'm on the fence about how if could be reasoanbly/equitably applied/enforced.
Top | New | Old
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
If those who wish to censor the web and publishing generally were to put their effort into supporting the education of the young in critical thinking and ethical behaviour a large part of what they complain about would disappear or be ignored.

But of course having a populace capable of actually thinking properly would mean that the authoritarians would lose power.

Education in most countries doesn't provide people with the intellectual tools to understand the world and it appears to be getting worse with ever increasing emphasis on mechanical testing of simple objective skills and less and less time spent on critical thinking.
Ontheroad · M
@ninalanyon Okay, but wouldn't this suppose those taught critical thinking could actually evaluate information without prejudice/bias? I'm not so sure that is/has or ever could be so.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Ontheroad I think there have been such people for ever. Socrates did a pretty good job over two thousand years ago, have we moderns degenerated so far that we can no longer think? Marcus Aurelius set out a pretty good practical Stoic ethic eighteen hundred years ago.

A lot of the teaching might well be simply teaching children that thinking is possible, valuable, desirable, practical, even profitable.

Evaluation of facts comes naturally once you have the mental tools to criticise them and the rhetoric that surrounds them. A grounding in basic logic and statistics is necessary too yet it seems that even fewer people are educated in basic statistics now than when I was in high school fifty years ago.

A population better able to think and criticise would also be in a better position to understand that no one can be in command of all the facts in the world, life is too short and the quantity too large. This means that one must rely on experts in specific fields but it does not mean that they must be blindly followed. Being able to read an abstract of something technical and realize that it omits or misrepresents something relevant can be enough without having to be able to evaluate the underlying facts.

Of course prejudice and bias will always be with us but surely a better educated citizenry would be better able to evaluate not only the bias of others but also its own and to realize when that bias is counter to its own interests.
Ontheroad · M
@ninalanyon
a better educated citizenry would be better able to evaluate not only the bias of others but also its own and to realize when that bias is counter to its own interests.

I certainly can't disagree with this. It's not a fail-safe, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
Miram · 31-35, F
The US already bans, limits and censors content by pressuring those who engage in sharing it ,like whistleblowers.

The patriot act grants your government broad surveillance powers and censorship abilities, including the ability to monitor internet communications. While the p act was intended to combat terrorism, it also enables government overreach, with ordinary citizens' data being swept up in mass surveillance programs like PRISM.

Private companies work with lobbies and political parties to decide and subjectively remove content or manipulate traffic under section 230 .
Ontheroad · M
@Miram Okay, now answer the question. This isn't a finger-pointing exercise, it's about what you think should or shouldn't be.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Ontheroad

That reply was certainly not finger pointing. It was stating the reality.

🤦🏻‍♀🤦🏻‍♀🤦🏻‍♀🤦🏻‍♀🤦🏻‍♀🤦🏻‍♀

You attached the question to an assertion. You made answering it conditional on holding that same assertion/ belief.


it is time for "Big Brother" to limit/ban/censor or otherwise have a say so on what sites and what content is permissible on the internet.

If so

Now, if you asked me if I think it is right or wrong for the US to do it (they already are), that would be different.

I would answer that censorship should only apply to content that can clearly be categorized as related to terrorism or violent illegal activity..

For it to be more fair, they would have to improve the laws, draw more clear definitions about things like "good faith" related to section 230, and enhance protections for whistleblowers, including those who expose abuses related to censorship or violations of user rights against both government and private companies, and establish better committees to keep an eye on internet censorship..you need people to watch people who are watching you.

And even then, there are ways to abuse the system. But I guess everything is an ongoing project. No progress without errors.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
For ne the issue is that Social Media is worldwide. No single mational Government can control what every site.
Better education in crutical thinking would reduce the volume and impact of misleading information being peddled, but that will only work in the countries where better education has been implemented. I fear there are no easy solutions at this point in time, and things will have to get much worse before they improve.
Ynotisay · M
I think of Freedom of Speech is important. But the freedom to manipulate and incite violence is dangerous. As far as judgements I think the platform is ultimately responsible. But when foreign governments are involved then it's time that the government under attack takes charge.
Democracy won't happen without government support and regulation of the free press and the internet. You're perfectly safe from peace, as well.
Gangstress · 41-45, F
to be honest, its a tough question and not an easy one to answer.
might have to muse over this
OldBrit · 61-69, M
And there in is the problem.... Who makes the judgements? Because we're all bias and all judgemental based on our morals, beliefs, upbringing, background, culture etc etc etc

I'd like to see some kind of "truth engine" which gives an easily understood indication of the likely voracity of a post. But then of course there will be those who immediately shout "The truth engine is only their truth" and it goes on.

I've stopped reading anything on X as that frankly is just unregulated wild west nonsense now you can't trust a thing. Facebook I only use with friends I know. I use news sources I trust directly as much as possible.
I couldn't care less about misinformation unless it's from a news source. This is social media so I don't think it should apply. People just come here to talk.
Just charge for posts, and adjust pricing up for lies and down for truth.

People telling the truth end up posting for little/free. People lying end up paying a lot.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@SomeMichGuy Well Trump would be bankrupt, again, in a day!
DDonde · 31-35, M
I'm very much opposed to a universal censor. The government gets involved where illegal content is concerned but moderation is up to the communities and IMO this is how it should be.
This message was deleted by its author.
Ontheroad · M
@ThirstenHowl thanks for a well-thought-out response. I agree with most of what you said, but I think paragraph 4 would be problematic.
This message was deleted by its author.
Actually charging more than 0 per post would dry up a lot of this nonsense.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
So, there's two problems with restricting what people can say on a social media platform. The first is, you've got these nimrods with a faulty idea of what the first Amendment actually says, who would get all violent and angry if they couldn't spew their bigotry online. And the second is that as you say, it's hard to enforce.
Musicman · 61-69, M
Definitely not! Never! Ever! Let this happen. Otherwise soon the only opinion you will be able to have is what the government tells you you can. That is an evil nightmare. No matter how good their intentions are in the beginning governments are corrupt. It wouldn't take long before the government would be telling you what to think and locking you up in jail for daring to disagree with them.

 
Post Comment