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US minimum wage over the past 23 years.

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Depends on what state your in, but most have to pay above minimum wage just to stay competitive
@sstronaut Twenty states still can pay a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/11/business/federal-minimum-wage-us-impact/index.html
@sstronaut or even less than that if part of your wages are supposed to come from tips.
@JustGoneNow Yeah, if you can find anyone that willing to work for that. The argument against minimum wage is that the market will set the value, which means if companies are paying $10 per hour, then the company only offering $7.25 will then also have to offer $10 or go out of business.

That's what happens around here, company have to pay like twice the minimum wage to hire anyone because that's the market, otherwise that could go get a pay raise elsewhere.

So if everyone is being paid more than the minimum, then the minimum doesn't matter, as prices are higher than it already.

@sstronaut certain states don’t care.

And I’m kinda talking about these southern teal states outside of the cities. If you don’t make there be a mandatory minimum, it does matter because someone somewhere will use it to exploit workers. And if the usual wage in the state is already higher… what does it hurt to raise it so no one is exploited?

@sstronaut that’s like saying it doesn’t matter if we require municipalities to have clean water because most will.

Hmm. Hope I’m in most.
@JustGoneNow You can simplify and just say the Republicans states (mostly)

Because every action are a reaction. You raise the minimum wage and you hurt business...

If the minimum is $7.25 but everyone is already being paid $14.50, what's the point of moving it to $13? Everyone is already getting $14.5.

Other than maybe interns or people getting their first jobs like kids which might be working a bit cheaper, but they have school and other distractions too.

And people get exploited even with higher minimum wage, as they ignore the law.
@sstronaut Southern Republican. But I hate to say that because they destroyed what was the Republican Party. When the Dixiecrats of the South, left the Democratic Party over LBJ. That was the beginning of the end, honestly. But politics aside. The south (no matter the party) has a long history of exploitation.

It is what it is.

I’m from a very, very traditional rural republican state that still doesn’t have a 7.50 state minimum wage, so please don’t assume you know me nor my politics. This is about human decency.
@sstronaut so… maybe we shouldn’t have laws against sex trafficking… because people get sex tracficked anyways by people that ignore the law.

What sense does that make? We either say what’s right, or we just be pussies.
@JustGoneNow Then say the conservative states, because while under both parties at different times, those parties were always the conservative one.

I'm not assuming anything about you, nor talking about you. You are talking about you

And human decency is on both sides, not just one, as that business is about humans too. And if the market minimum is already above the legal minimum, then the legal minimum doesn't matter
@JustGoneNow Your going down your own odd a rabbit hole, and getting way off topic, so I'm leaving this conversation ✌️
@sstronaut fair. and your point on conservative states is too, the rest… we’ll just have to agree to disagree that laws do matter.
@sstronaut you made me blush. ty.
@sstronaut 🦋🦋🦋