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Did you realize that John Lennon's song Imagine is actually a song about The Communist Manifesto?

He said so himself. So the song is literally about asking to join the communist revolution. He himself "isn't exactly a commie" but the song is about it. Funny how so many people love the song and its message, and then go on to bash communism, not realizing Soviet communism is hardly communism, and most modern commies are either Marxist or Marxist-Leninist. I'm very Marxist, although I do share some Leninist ideas. But the song is definitely pure Marxist and now it's my favorite Beatles song, as it's a peaceful call to the communist revolution :D I suppose you could call it... Lennonism. :P Someone was going to make the joke.
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101stairbornescreamingeagles
Did John Lennon ever actually see communism in action? Not the bs propaganda version that they liked to broadcast to the west, but the actual day to day situation?

No? Then that's why. It's a nice ideal, but every time it's been tried it leads to a huge body count. Every. Single. Time.
Actactualaredey
It eradicates incentive. From there it encourages ignorance for the masses, fosters thievery by the very few but the worst part is how it divides people. The by product of course is long lived hatred and grudges. When it's reign of power ends people have to flee the country.
OccultaDeSymphoniaDeos
Who knows. But I was schooled about East Germany. She told me everyone that could work had a job, no homeless, no one went hungry. Also no western culture, but that most were happy. l met her when she was 19 so I doubt she knew much about the dark side to that system.
101stairbornescreamingeagles
Also, you know, the Stasi had something like one informer for every 12 people and shot people for even the most minimal transgression against the party line.

The Berlin Wall was built to keep people in, not vice versa.
OccultaDeSymphoniaDeos
Yes..I remember now there is that famous film about a Stasi spying on a playwright and his girlfriend. And became obsessed with them. The Lives Of Others. Was just thinking the other night about how much change I have seen in my life, starting with the fall of the wall, gulf war part I, all the way through to today. The map of the world I studied has seen 100s of changes. People getting shot so easily was parodied in the film I saw the other day, 'Top Secret', where in the first 5 minutes, someone was shot there because dogs were barking at him. He had a package of dog biscuits.
FrankShore
China, Nicaragua, Israel, Venezuela and N. Vietnam. In many instances the US has been responsible the high body count. Most monasteries and convents throughout time have been communist. The Kibbutzim movement in Israel is alive and well. They are communist. There are thousands of successful communist intentional communities in the US. Most communist entities do not call themselves Communist because the largest Communist societies created to date were hijacked by fascist strongmen who were/are tyrants. Condominiums and HOAs are partly communist.
Yes, John Lennon saw communism in action. He visited Israeli Kibbutzim. And he was aware of just how destructive Russian, Chinese, N. Korean and Cuban communism were and are.
I am a liberal Democrat. I believe in a mixed economy that is democratic, capitalist, socialist and communist. That is why I am voting for Donald Trump. Bill Gates was a serial thief. He would be in prison if the US had better laws. Steve Jobs was an A.H. but he earned his money honestly by virtue of his creative genius. So did George Soros.
I don't believe the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to bear arms without restrictions. But I do believe Americans should, generally speaking, have the unrestricted right to bear arms including semi-automatic weapons.
FrankShore
Communism does not eradicate incentive if it is correctly implemented. It does not encourage ignorance. The Russians and Chinese are very well educated. It doesn't divide the people any more than laissez-faire capitalism which divides every population into a few who are super rich who own everything and those who are super poor who own nothing.
101stairbornescreamingeagles
Last I checked the United States wasn't involved in Israel, short of supporting them. The Arabs tried to take the Israelis out. Their 0-3.

North Vietnam violated several treaties, such as the one governing the Tet religious holiday, to try and take advantage. They horrifically mistreated POWs.

The US wasn't involved in China past 1950. We protected South Korea and Taiwan from Chinese agression, however.

As I recall, the Nicaraugan people voted the Sandanistas out of office a long time ago.

I love how your trying to say most monasteries didn't believe in God either. That's a good one😂🙄

Division of labor isn't inherently communist.

If the Kibbutzim movement is so alive and well, how come the right wingers are so fully in control of the country in Israel? The communists lost all credibility in Israel due to Soviet support of the Arabs.

The USSR and the East Bloc weren't fascist states. Calling them that is ridiculously obviously an attempt to rewrite history.

Your a liberal democract.....so your voting for a person whose views are the exact opposite as yours🙄
101stairbornescreamingeagles
Russia and China have and had massive populations of peasants, most of whom aren't at all well educated.
FrankShore
No one claimed the US was involved in Israel! You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
"communists" with a small "c" have not lost credibility in Israel. There are a lot of right-wing communists in Israel. Communism has nothing to do with left or right wing. There are left wingers who are anti-communist, and right-wingers who are pro-communist. Of course, the USSR and the East Bloc were fascist states. You don't know the simple meaning of the words you use.
Nothing you said about N. Vietnam negates or contradicts anything I said about N. Vietnam. You are highly accomplished at making non-sequiturs.
Manuel Noriega was the president of Nicaragua the last I noticed. Trump's views are not the exact opposite of my view. His views are fairly in line with my views. I don't have time to reply to you again. You have so many misconceptions, I don't know where to begin. And your main style of discussion is creating strawmen arguments, throwing in red herrings and dispensing non-sequiturs.
FrankShore
Russia and China had (and maybe still have) first-class educational systems. They educated their peasants. Now the peoples of Russia and China are on average better educated than Americans.
FrankShore
The literacy of Russia, China and Cuba are all above 95%. Russian literacy is 99%. That is how literate those peasants are. In the meantime, the literacy rate in the US is less than 70%. We have the literacy rate of a third-world country. Half the people in American ghettos can't read English, and can barely speak English. And they aren't ignorant peasants living in the boondocks!
FrankShore
And you are just as brainwashed as the Chinese in China.
FrankShore
By the way, I lived in Russia and China. I know what I am talking about. Though, I have spent most of my life in the US.
101stairbornescreamingeagles
"USSR and the East Bloc were fascist states" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I'm sorry I can take you seriously when you say something like that.

I'm sure the "League of Young Communists", the NKVD and the other communist party apparatus would be very surprised to hear it😂😂🙄🙄🙄

Noriega was the president of PANAMA, not Nicarauga. Jesus Christ you don't even know who the hell I'm talking about.

"Communism has nothing to do with left wing or right wing" 😂😂😂😂

Congrats you win "most hilarious post of the day"
101stairbornescreamingeagles
Cultural Revolution in China. Collective farms in Russia. "Russian literacy is 99%"

Where are you pulling those stats out of, your ass?
101stairbornescreamingeagles
Oh brainwashed are they? I thought communism was some kind of miracle system were everything is happy shiny----oh wait. You think China's a fascist state😂😂😂😂😂😂
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