Does the material world exist only to those who believe in science?

Perception is reality. We perceive with our senses, and our minds tell us what we are sensing. A bird perceives with its senses, and its mind tells it what it is sensing.

The mind retains relevant information as knowledge. The bird flies through the air but does its mind tell it that it is flying through space and the time it takes to get where it is going?

Space and time are concepts of physics. They are dimensions of a material world made up of matter, its third dimension. The three concepts of space, time, and matter are the fundamental thought patterns of physics, a branch of science invented by the human mind.

Can we conclude that the material world exists only to those believe in science?

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ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M

There might be something to that, since science is not solely dependent on reality. For instance

Science is true even if you don't believe in it.

So then there was a luminiferous ether, and then when Maxwell came along, it evaporated and electromagnetic waves took its place.
When science said the atom was a plum pudding of +ve and -ve particles, it was, but when I guess God ate the pudding and spat out the electrons, protons and neutrons just in time for Niels Bohr.
Science also said our health was governed by 4 humours, but then I guess our bodies lost their sense of humour and then germs and a bunch of other things came along.
So I guess you could will matter away; you just need the right science.

LadyGrace ·

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP

Science is true even if you don't believe in it.

Is that true? If that was the case, then science would never make mistakes or be wrong and we know they are not always 100% accurate and often change their theory.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LadyGrace

Is that true? If that was the case, then science would never make mistakes or be wrong and we know they are not always 100% accurate and often change their theory.

Good thinking, Lady. Your argument holds with regard to science theories. What about basic concepts such as time, space, and matter? If you accept those concepts, they shape your perception of reality. Acceptance of those concepts is not a matter of choice. It is similar to putting on viewing glasses. What you see cannot be rejected or denied because it is real. You have to take off those glasses in order to be free of the material world. The bird and other animals do not see through those glasses made by science. They did not go to school like we do. When a baby is born, it perceives like a baby bird. If the child grows without human influence and raised by chimps, it will perceive reality as chimps do. The material world will not exist.

LadyGrace ·

@sree251

It is similar to putting on viewing glasses. What you see cannot be rejected or denied because it is real. You have to take off those glasses in order to be free of the material world.

Whether the glasses are on or off, will not change their properties nor existence. If I'm looking at a tree, whether I take my glasses on or off, it will still remain a tree. You think too much and it's causing you confusion and overkill. Satan is the author of confusion.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LadyGrace Acceptance of science concepts is similar to acceptance of religious concepts. Once you put on those eyeglasses, you are done. There is no way to debate against one reality or the other. The problem with religious people in the modern world is that they put on both eye glasses: science and religion. They have a crazy time making sense of reality. The only way out is to live double lives: be a professional doctor when at work, and retire to the spiritual world in times of private contemplation or prayer.

LadyGrace ·

@sree251

Oh, baloney. You've got clouded thinking again. Science is included in the Bible.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LadyGrace

Science is included in the Bible.

This is exactly what I mean: compound eyeglasses. You either serve God or the Devil, you can't serve both. When you put on compound eyeglasses, you serve the Devil. How many Christians do we have in the US Military? We even have chaplains with the rank of captain. How do they deal with "Thou shall not kill?"

LadyGrace ·

@sree251

There can't be a discussion with you because you can only see things through the lens of a double minded person. On one hand you call yourself a Christian and then you deny it on another, mocking Christians. I have nothing more to say to you. You're confused.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LadyGrace

There can't be a discussion with you because you can only see things through the lens of a double minded person. On one hand you call yourself a Christian and then you deny it on another, mocking Christians.

I don't mock Christians anymore than Jesus mocked the Jews. He came to read the law right: instead of an eye for an eye, Jesus taught them to turn the other cheek. It infuriated them because it made no sense. They saw Jesus as confused.