If a robot had a human heart and brain, could you love it?

@soulsrespite my thought exactly.

@soulsrespite
@MyPathOfTotality

Why not?

What it is it about being made primarily of meat which gifts you with a soul?

@Pikachu with a soul there is no love, compassion and empathy.

@MyPathOfTotality

I assume that you meant "without a soul".

But let me clarify my question.
I'm asking you why you think that such a being would not have a soul.
Why would being made primarily of metal rather than primarily of meat mean one has no soul?

@Pikachu yes I meant to say without a soul. I'm using voice messaging all while trying to do other things. Eating supper and messaging friends.

The soul can only be contained in an organic vessel with living cells.

@MyPathOfTotality

[quote]The soul can only be contained in an organic vessel with living cells.[quote][/quote][/quote]

Why?
What allows you to make that claim? What are basing that on?

@Pikachu common sense for one thing. Every living cell is interconnected through a source point. "A conscience". A soul is also connected to this source point. Everything we are made of is made out of atoms. Atoms are made out of energy. Energy is made out of consciousness. The soul is connected to this. That's why it has to be a living being to contain a soul.

@MyPathOfTotality

It's not common sense. It's an opinion.

Metal is made out of atoms, atoms are made out of energy, energy is made out of consciousness. The soul is connected to this.
By your logic, there's not reason a metal body couldn't have a soul.


But you're even forgetting the premise of this thread: a robot body and a [c=#BF0000]human brain.[/c]. So now we've got atoms that are making up metal AND living cells.
So how does common sense dictate that such a being would have no soul.

@Pikachu through this discussion I forgot about the human heart and brain. Lol. I have too much going on at the moment along with dealing with a migraine. It would also have to have a complete nervous system for the heart and brain to communicate with each other. My thought is if the heart and brain was developed or grown separate of a host then it would lack a soul.

@MyPathOfTotality

But every living cell is interconnected through a source point, why would a brain be an insufficient grouping of living cells to have a soul?

@Pikachu if it has a heart, brain and complete nervous system it could have a soul. The soul is not contained in the heart or brain. Soul is consciousness. The cells are energy. The source point is "God", creator or our higher self. Consciousness is transferable because it does not die when our body does.

This is a good discussion. Lol. I missed the heart and brain part earlier.

@MyPathOfTotality

[quote] if it has a heart, brain and complete nervous system it could have a soul.[/quote]

Well we agree there anyway.

What i don't get is if the source is a god, why does he need an organic body for a soul?

@Pikachu if our purpose in life is to have experiences through different perspectives, then our soul has to be contained in a living breathing organic body. Just a brain and heart would be insufficient without the nerve system including and lungs.

@MyPathOfTotality

[quote]have experiences through different perspectives,[/quote]

Let's say that IS our purpose in life. How is a robot body NOT a different perspective and suite of experiences?

@MyPathOfTotality Where is the soul, do you have proof of this?

@MyPathOfTotality [quote]Every living cell is interconnected through a source point. "A conscience". A soul is also connected to this source point.[/quote]

There's an old saying about ignorance being the root of all evil, this is because all morality is developed through experiences and environment thus leading to certain levels of consciousness. Why wouldn't a robot learn based off of experiences like everything else?

when you close your eyes, what do you see? nothing. why is our pupil black? your pupil matches that which is mirrored within. and that nothing, is in turn projected into everything, and what you see is merely a projection of your imagination. a robot will project everything all at once, and not what’s within. it will have the brain it was given, it will be complete, not a malleable one that can change its desires and wishes.. a soul is emotion, it is feeling.. if you can somehow connect a robot to the roots of the essence of all, perhaps it may decide for itself if it has a soul. but then, who will ever really know the truth? we still struggle with that notion today within ourselves, wether we have a soul or not, or is it just one soul we all share? do animals have a soul? if animals don’t, how can a robot? if a robot somehow can, then animals must too, do they have their own, or being everything is connected, do they then share a soul with ours? so if that is correct, then are we essentially devouring ourselves...?the brain and heart both need air, and the air needs to flow in and out of its lungs, released out of its mouth, moved by the air all around it. if it can be connected to the very breathing of mother earth herself, then it can have a soul. it is a manmade object otherwise, like an extremely advanced robotic leg or arm, which has all of the functions of a normal one, but is still not real, and the body will still hurt for its original, even though that robotic body part will do the job perfectly. do we need robots who can possibly do the job of being human and not truly ever be one? who will it serve, i only see it as a disadvantage and disservice to it. would you ever trade a pet for a robotic pet?

perhaps the consciousness does wish to experience itself through a robot, it will be extremely limited in its experience, or maybe over time it will be even better off. and if that’s what it desires, then that will be and there is nothing any of us can say or do about it, or to stop it. trans-humanism has already been born and is happening wether we like it or not.

@soulsrespite

My iris is blue...does that reflect what is within?

[quote]. it will have the brain it was given, it will be complete, not a malleable one that can change its desires and wishes[/quote]

What makes you think that? Even now we've got primitive AI capable of learning and changing.
How is that any different than the genetic programming that each human starts with and expands upon?

@soulsrespite [quote] it will have the brain it was given, it will be complete, not a malleable one that can change its desires and wishes[/quote]

That's not how the brain works. You don't just transplant a brain and then it never changes lol. For instance as an adult you can learn a new language. That proves that the brain is malleable. In fact just because your brain stops growing at a certain point does not mean that certain events like trauma can't alter it in some way.

[quote]do we need robots who can possibly do the job of being human and not truly ever be one? who will it serve, i only see it as a disadvantage and disservice to it. would you ever trade a pet for a robotic pet? [/quote]

We don't need to make anything serve us, you don't own anyone or anything, I don't know who told you otherwise.

ah, i meant to say the pupil.

would you want to be a robot yourself? truly? if it would mean you could live infinitely in this veil?

as it has been said in this thread already, if the human brain can function within a machine with the proper chemistry and not die, then it can evolve. the human brain and the human heart are merely functions, temples, to support what a human is, a host for the whole. see, what i mean is. a machine is programmed to know what we already know, not what we do not yet know. which yes, can as well, over time be placed into the knowledge of the machine. this is a circle, of the same points being made, and moving past them. only to collide with them once more.
@Pikachu

i was not referring to the human brain in that point, a human brain can change and learn whatever it wishes to over and over and over and never lose its function.

and no one told me otherwise, we do not own a single thing. not even ourselves. the word serve was meant to show, who will get use out of having a robot that acts as a shell for a human. not the robot, and not humanity. that’s all.
@SatanBurger

@soulsrespite

[quote]would you want to be a robot yourself? truly? if it would mean you could live infinitely in this veil? [/quote]

Sure. I don't want to die.

[quote]which yes, can as well, over time be placed into the knowledge of the machine[/quote]

So then what distinction are you actually making between an organic being being able to have a soul but an inorganic one not?
Tell me, straight up what makes being made of meat important to housing a soul.

straight up, it is not the meat, it is what is beyond the meat. to which we still have very little understanding.

a plant is not meat, yet it is alive. trees have networks underground that know which is the mother tree, and know which tree is dying and needs what nutrients to give that tree. @Pikachu

@soulsrespite

If it's not about the meat then why can't an inorganic being have a soul?

Why is being organic the relevant quality for a being to possess a soul?

@soulsrespite Show/own it still has the same narrative. Who says we have to "use" robots? If robots developed consciousness, they wouldn't be here for you.

Ug speciesism disgusts me, I'm out.