If I had left school two years earlier...
... I could have had two more years of education!
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SchoolBelle · 61-69, F
@Baremine But how could you know until you had done it? Had you not gone to college, you might now be blaming all that is wrong in your life on that fact.
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SchoolBelle · 61-69, F
@Baremine I see.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@Baremine my oldest daughter went to college. She graduated with honors as a mechanical engineer. Worked for ten years. Had a family and homeschooled her 4 kids.
My son graduated highschool. I started working for Ford dealer just before he turned 16 washing cars. He is now 46. Still working for Ford. Never went to college. He is a senior master tech specialist in transmission. Ford trained him while paying him and he makes over $100k a year.
Now which was smarter.
My son graduated highschool. I started working for Ford dealer just before he turned 16 washing cars. He is now 46. Still working for Ford. Never went to college. He is a senior master tech specialist in transmission. Ford trained him while paying him and he makes over $100k a year.
Now which was smarter.
swirlie · 31-35
@Baremine
Nothing you learned in high school put money in your pocket either, but most companies we work for have a minimum credential requirement that a candidate have at least a high school graduation diploma before they'll hire you.
If they don't have that minimum requirement, then that is your first sign that you probably shouldn't be spending too much time working there, because you'll soon find yourself surrounded by people who know as little ..or less than you do about anything and everything in general.
A college education and in particular a university education, were never designed in their respective curriculum formats, to teach you anything which you could then take to the outside world and make a living from the skills you had learned while in college/university.
Trade School being the exception, where one goes to a Trade School of Applied Arts and Technology to learn a specific Trade for the workplace, such as welding or pipe-fitting or hat-making for example.
What a college diploma proves to a potential employer as you lay that piece of paper on her desk during an employment interview, is that you have provided written evidence as proof that you are capable of learning new things on the academic level, or imparting intelligent ideas on the academic level.
Without that college diploma as proof of your learning accomplishments on the academic level, you offer absolutely NO PROOF to a potential employer that you are capable of problem solving or even capable of socially interacting with the general public whom you may be required to work among.
Therefore, without a college diploma and certainly without a high school diploma, you offer an employer zero credentials about yourself, except for the fact that you have demonstrated NO motivation whatsoever to get yourself educated to even a basic level, which means you'd be a very poor choice as an employee to that company. This is because the risk level is very high that they will end up with an idiot on their hands after making the mistake of hiring that uneducated person in the first place.
Nothing I learned in college put money in my pocket. It was a waste of time and money.
Nothing you learned in high school put money in your pocket either, but most companies we work for have a minimum credential requirement that a candidate have at least a high school graduation diploma before they'll hire you.
If they don't have that minimum requirement, then that is your first sign that you probably shouldn't be spending too much time working there, because you'll soon find yourself surrounded by people who know as little ..or less than you do about anything and everything in general.
A college education and in particular a university education, were never designed in their respective curriculum formats, to teach you anything which you could then take to the outside world and make a living from the skills you had learned while in college/university.
Trade School being the exception, where one goes to a Trade School of Applied Arts and Technology to learn a specific Trade for the workplace, such as welding or pipe-fitting or hat-making for example.
What a college diploma proves to a potential employer as you lay that piece of paper on her desk during an employment interview, is that you have provided written evidence as proof that you are capable of learning new things on the academic level, or imparting intelligent ideas on the academic level.
Without that college diploma as proof of your learning accomplishments on the academic level, you offer absolutely NO PROOF to a potential employer that you are capable of problem solving or even capable of socially interacting with the general public whom you may be required to work among.
Therefore, without a college diploma and certainly without a high school diploma, you offer an employer zero credentials about yourself, except for the fact that you have demonstrated NO motivation whatsoever to get yourself educated to even a basic level, which means you'd be a very poor choice as an employee to that company. This is because the risk level is very high that they will end up with an idiot on their hands after making the mistake of hiring that uneducated person in the first place.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@swirlie I think I agree with you mostly. Our society is obsessed with college. I did poorly in college. Various reasons. Biggest one I thought I had lost the love of my life and didn't care.
By the next year the love of my life came back, I went to the USAF and got married. Went to electronics school. Worked part-time at a truck line. Graduated from school. They sent me on job interviews that paid $2.75-$3.00 per hour. I was making $6.00 driving a semi.
Retired from ABF freight 29 years in the teamster union. Loved my job and was well liked by management.
My son went to work for the local Ford dealer just before he turned 16. Graduated HS they offered to train him as a tech. No cost to him and got paid while doing it. Now 46. Senior master tech making over $100k a year.
You need the highschool diploma but for most of us college is a waste of time and money. I worked with a guy that had a doctor's degree that was jamming gears for a living. I felt you pushed college a bit much.
My oldest daughter has a degree in mechanical engineering.graduated with honors. Homeschooled her kids after working 10 years.
By the next year the love of my life came back, I went to the USAF and got married. Went to electronics school. Worked part-time at a truck line. Graduated from school. They sent me on job interviews that paid $2.75-$3.00 per hour. I was making $6.00 driving a semi.
Retired from ABF freight 29 years in the teamster union. Loved my job and was well liked by management.
My son went to work for the local Ford dealer just before he turned 16. Graduated HS they offered to train him as a tech. No cost to him and got paid while doing it. Now 46. Senior master tech making over $100k a year.
You need the highschool diploma but for most of us college is a waste of time and money. I worked with a guy that had a doctor's degree that was jamming gears for a living. I felt you pushed college a bit much.
My oldest daughter has a degree in mechanical engineering.graduated with honors. Homeschooled her kids after working 10 years.
swirlie · 31-35
@Baremine
First of all, great bio-story you wrote. I loved every detail.
Secondly, I think you may have misunderstood the intent of my post to you.
What I think you may have misunderstood is that I am NOT posturing myself as being someone who is pro-college education.
What I was saying to you in my post was an objective explanation of what the paper in you hand actually says to an employer, which states in black and white that you are the holder of a college Degree which you earned through study and examination.
I was attempting to explain what that piece of graduation paper actually means to an employer, not what the benefits are for job placement as a result of having a college degree.
The piece of paper ONLY means that you are capable of learning, which by virtue of it's physical existence proves that fact to anyone who may question your ability to learn.
I will be the first one to admit that going to university was a huge waste of money and time for me.
University like college, is nothing but a financial institution, promoting a concept of advanced education that we as a society all buy into as being the difference between failure and success. It's all bullshitte from start to finish.
The reason I went to university was because I wanted to become self-employed.
But you may ask, why the fukk would I do that if nobody but myself would ever know that I'm a university graduate?
The answer is, I never thought of that at the time when I was 18 years old and working my first part-time job selling used boats dockside in summer while wearing a bikini and baseball cap as my official uniform at our local marina, after having graduated high school with an athletics scholarship to a university of my choice.
The reason I ended up getting a Business & Commerce Degree followed by a Masters in Business Administration, was because I THOUGHT I needed that stuff to run my own entrepreneurial business.
I thought I needed to know ALL about accounting, business finance, marketing, etc... only to learn just a little tiny bit about each of those subjects, but not being able to actually USE any of it to run my business!
The reason I couldn't use any of it to run my business is because I specialized in NONE of it! ...jack of all Trades, Master of none.
I knew a little bit about each business subject, but I was a Master at none of them! If I wanted to know everything there was to know about accounting, then I would have had to study to become a Chartered Accountant. But I didn't want to become an Accountant! I wanted to run a small business!
Because I was not a Master at any of those subjects, I really didn't know what the fukk I was doing when it came to actually running my small business after I eventually graduated university and finally did get my business started.
What I ended up doing was hiring a professional Accountant, a professional Marketing guru and a professional Finance Manager, all of whom could talk circles around me when it came to business matters, despite my University Business Degrees x 2, hanging on the wall collecting dust.
If I had graduated high school and then immediately started my small business, I would have had no other choice but to hire an Accountant, a Marketing guy and a Finance Manager anyway because my excuse would be, I know fukk-all about business!
But after spending X-years in university trying to learn all about accounting, business finance and marketing, I came out the other end knowing a tiny little bit about each subject, but not enough to actually be meaningful to myself in the running of my small business, or to speak competently among those in the business world.
For that reason I am qualified in saying that if you intend to be self-employed, you DO NOT need to go to college to pull that off.
College DOES NOT teach anyone how to become self-employed nor does college teach anyone how to become a good EMPLOYER.
Instead, college only teaches students how to become a good EMPLOYEE.
You see Baremine, our western culture does not focus career aspirations toward self-employment, but instead focuses only on working for someone else!
When we are in high school, we are told to stay in school to get a good job and work for someone else, then retire with a good pension. At NO time was I ever told that I should be an employer who hires people to work for me.
Immigrants to western culture from India for example, come from a culture where almost everyone is self-employed in India and nobody works for anyone. That is why most gas stations and 7-11 convenience stores and Dry Cleaners in North America are owned and operated by people who immigrated to our western country and who never went to college! They came over here to work, but to own the business that they worked at.
When we as westerner's pack up and leave North America and head over to Europe as a career advancement move, we never do it with the intent of being self-employed when we get over there.
Instead, we only ever make that move overseas to work for some guy who owns the company in Europe who wants to hire us westerners as EMPLOYEEs, not as employers! Western colleges then convince us to become highly educated so that we can all compete against each other for the few jobs that are out there!
Whoever among us will do that job for the least amount of money assuming we all have the same college Degree, is the one who gets the fukking job! That's called "the race to the bottom".
What your college Degree proves to anyone is that you are not an un-educated person, but your college Degree didn't teach you how to drive a truck either, now did it!
I felt you pushed college a bit much.
First of all, great bio-story you wrote. I loved every detail.
Secondly, I think you may have misunderstood the intent of my post to you.
What I think you may have misunderstood is that I am NOT posturing myself as being someone who is pro-college education.
What I was saying to you in my post was an objective explanation of what the paper in you hand actually says to an employer, which states in black and white that you are the holder of a college Degree which you earned through study and examination.
I was attempting to explain what that piece of graduation paper actually means to an employer, not what the benefits are for job placement as a result of having a college degree.
The piece of paper ONLY means that you are capable of learning, which by virtue of it's physical existence proves that fact to anyone who may question your ability to learn.
I will be the first one to admit that going to university was a huge waste of money and time for me.
University like college, is nothing but a financial institution, promoting a concept of advanced education that we as a society all buy into as being the difference between failure and success. It's all bullshitte from start to finish.
The reason I went to university was because I wanted to become self-employed.
But you may ask, why the fukk would I do that if nobody but myself would ever know that I'm a university graduate?
The answer is, I never thought of that at the time when I was 18 years old and working my first part-time job selling used boats dockside in summer while wearing a bikini and baseball cap as my official uniform at our local marina, after having graduated high school with an athletics scholarship to a university of my choice.
The reason I ended up getting a Business & Commerce Degree followed by a Masters in Business Administration, was because I THOUGHT I needed that stuff to run my own entrepreneurial business.
I thought I needed to know ALL about accounting, business finance, marketing, etc... only to learn just a little tiny bit about each of those subjects, but not being able to actually USE any of it to run my business!
The reason I couldn't use any of it to run my business is because I specialized in NONE of it! ...jack of all Trades, Master of none.
I knew a little bit about each business subject, but I was a Master at none of them! If I wanted to know everything there was to know about accounting, then I would have had to study to become a Chartered Accountant. But I didn't want to become an Accountant! I wanted to run a small business!
Because I was not a Master at any of those subjects, I really didn't know what the fukk I was doing when it came to actually running my small business after I eventually graduated university and finally did get my business started.
What I ended up doing was hiring a professional Accountant, a professional Marketing guru and a professional Finance Manager, all of whom could talk circles around me when it came to business matters, despite my University Business Degrees x 2, hanging on the wall collecting dust.
If I had graduated high school and then immediately started my small business, I would have had no other choice but to hire an Accountant, a Marketing guy and a Finance Manager anyway because my excuse would be, I know fukk-all about business!
But after spending X-years in university trying to learn all about accounting, business finance and marketing, I came out the other end knowing a tiny little bit about each subject, but not enough to actually be meaningful to myself in the running of my small business, or to speak competently among those in the business world.
For that reason I am qualified in saying that if you intend to be self-employed, you DO NOT need to go to college to pull that off.
College DOES NOT teach anyone how to become self-employed nor does college teach anyone how to become a good EMPLOYER.
Instead, college only teaches students how to become a good EMPLOYEE.
You see Baremine, our western culture does not focus career aspirations toward self-employment, but instead focuses only on working for someone else!
When we are in high school, we are told to stay in school to get a good job and work for someone else, then retire with a good pension. At NO time was I ever told that I should be an employer who hires people to work for me.
Immigrants to western culture from India for example, come from a culture where almost everyone is self-employed in India and nobody works for anyone. That is why most gas stations and 7-11 convenience stores and Dry Cleaners in North America are owned and operated by people who immigrated to our western country and who never went to college! They came over here to work, but to own the business that they worked at.
When we as westerner's pack up and leave North America and head over to Europe as a career advancement move, we never do it with the intent of being self-employed when we get over there.
Instead, we only ever make that move overseas to work for some guy who owns the company in Europe who wants to hire us westerners as EMPLOYEEs, not as employers! Western colleges then convince us to become highly educated so that we can all compete against each other for the few jobs that are out there!
Whoever among us will do that job for the least amount of money assuming we all have the same college Degree, is the one who gets the fukking job! That's called "the race to the bottom".
What your college Degree proves to anyone is that you are not an un-educated person, but your college Degree didn't teach you how to drive a truck either, now did it!
swirlie · 31-35
@Baremine
I think I mentioned that I was raised on a tobacco farm ..and we also had a market gardening sideline where we grew vegetables and sold them to Heinz, which was a canning factory just a few miles down the road. As a teenager, I ran our roadside vegetable stand on weekends.
My Dad told me that I could keep any money I brought into the veggie stand which was his way of keeping me from working at a job in town, but suggested that I wear a bikini while doing that job because the vegetables alone were sometimes marginal! He was right! I sold-out every weekend after heeding his fatherly advice and made enough money to pay for part of my first year of university tuition with the help of an athletics scholarship.
When I started selling old used wooden boats after I'd graduated from high school, the bikini came out once again and my weekly sales went up immediately! 😆 I can't imagine what those guys told their wives after they got back home with a wooden boat that leaked like a screen door!
I think I mentioned that I was raised on a tobacco farm ..and we also had a market gardening sideline where we grew vegetables and sold them to Heinz, which was a canning factory just a few miles down the road. As a teenager, I ran our roadside vegetable stand on weekends.
My Dad told me that I could keep any money I brought into the veggie stand which was his way of keeping me from working at a job in town, but suggested that I wear a bikini while doing that job because the vegetables alone were sometimes marginal! He was right! I sold-out every weekend after heeding his fatherly advice and made enough money to pay for part of my first year of university tuition with the help of an athletics scholarship.
When I started selling old used wooden boats after I'd graduated from high school, the bikini came out once again and my weekly sales went up immediately! 😆 I can't imagine what those guys told their wives after they got back home with a wooden boat that leaked like a screen door!
swirlie · 31-35
@Baremine
Well, as my Dad use to frequently remind me when I was a teenager running around in cut-off denim shorts on the farm, that I talked way too much for my age... and if I'd just shut up long enough to let my body get a word in edgewise, then all I'd have to do is just show up and count the money without saying a word to any of my customers!
I had no idea what he was talking about at the time, but eventually my mom show me what he meant! Man, was she smart!
Well, as my Dad use to frequently remind me when I was a teenager running around in cut-off denim shorts on the farm, that I talked way too much for my age... and if I'd just shut up long enough to let my body get a word in edgewise, then all I'd have to do is just show up and count the money without saying a word to any of my customers!
I had no idea what he was talking about at the time, but eventually my mom show me what he meant! Man, was she smart!