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Koran 47:4 and 191:2 talks about beheading infidels (Believers). Never compare Christianity with Islamic beliefs. And another thing true Christian churches never do, is kick people out of their Church because they're different.
@RachelLia2003
Has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Eating bacon has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.
Has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Eating bacon has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.
RachelLia2003 · 22-25, F
@RachelLia2003
I'm sorry you're too young and immature to understand the meaning of respect. This obviously happens when you have no valid response and reject anything that opposes your beliefs.
I'm sorry you're too young and immature to understand the meaning of respect. This obviously happens when you have no valid response and reject anything that opposes your beliefs.
@jackieash "For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
he has rejected you as king.”
Yes! These verses one must read the whole context, meaning, what was going on in that time and period in history, who was talking to whom and why.
What some view as God being a rebellious tyrant, is God keeping his promise to his people, that he would protect them from their enemies and that's what he did.
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
he has rejected you as king.”
Yes! These verses one must read the whole context, meaning, what was going on in that time and period in history, who was talking to whom and why.
What some view as God being a rebellious tyrant, is God keeping his promise to his people, that he would protect them from their enemies and that's what he did.
@LadyGrace That is no different from quoting memes about Islam out of context. Ironic, really, as Yahweh, Allah and Jehovah are one and the same. So there you thave it....the Trinity! The difference is that the koran, like the bible was written by those in power to keep the people who follow that faith under control. It is a tool to control and manipulate people and to instil fear and hatred into those who don't follow their beliefs.
No wonder then so many people, in their millions around the world, are consigning religion to the sewage station of history.
No wonder then so many people, in their millions around the world, are consigning religion to the sewage station of history.
@jackieash Quoting memes? I quoted scripture straight from the Islamic Quran. Talk about hate and fear, I have never seen such hate and fear written in those scriptures I quoted straight from the Quran.
Jesus came to set the captives free. Free from what? The condemnation that sin placed on mankind. God has told us through His prophets that we are free to choose between good and evil. We may choose liberty and eternal life by following Jesus Christ. We are also free to choose captivity and death by following Satan. Jesus came to save the world not condemn it. But each are free to believe as they wish but in the end they will see that Christ proved his love for man by volunteering to pay for their sins on the cross.
Jesus came to set the captives free. Free from what? The condemnation that sin placed on mankind. God has told us through His prophets that we are free to choose between good and evil. We may choose liberty and eternal life by following Jesus Christ. We are also free to choose captivity and death by following Satan. Jesus came to save the world not condemn it. But each are free to believe as they wish but in the end they will see that Christ proved his love for man by volunteering to pay for their sins on the cross.
@LadyGrace Why would "god" demand parents murder their children if they "dishonoured" them, and by implication "god"? How would this "dishonour" occur and why is the only punishment acceptable is being murdered?
Those who follow Islam would say those demands by god to murder unbelievers is what god demands of them to follow it. How is that any different to the murderous violence ordered by god in the bible? As a follower of neither, I see no difference. It's follow us or die!
The more I see and hear of Abrahamic religions, the more pagan beliefs are the ones I would turn to if I was to become spiritual.
Those who follow Islam would say those demands by god to murder unbelievers is what god demands of them to follow it. How is that any different to the murderous violence ordered by god in the bible? As a follower of neither, I see no difference. It's follow us or die!
The more I see and hear of Abrahamic religions, the more pagan beliefs are the ones I would turn to if I was to become spiritual.
@jackieash
That's a great question! I'll answer this best I can Jackie.
The verse being referred to is Deuteronomy 21:18-21, which describes the procedure for dealing with a rebellious son. However, it's essential to understand the context and cultural background of this passage.
You are right to question this passage, as it seems harsh and contradictory to modern values. However, it's essential to consider the historical and cultural context in which it was written. In ancient Israel, family honor and community cohesion were crucial for survival.
The 'dishonor' referred to in this passage is not just about disobedience but about a son rejecting the values and beliefs of his family and community. The punishment described, is not necessarily about 'god' demanding murder, but about the community's response to someone who threatened their social fabric.
It's also important to note that this passage is not advocating for violence or murder. Rather, it's a legal procedure that emphasizes the seriousness of the offense. In reality, such cases were rare and subject to interpretation by the community elders.
Further, the Bible is a complex and multifaceted text that contains many different genres, historical contexts, and themes. While this passage may seem problematic, it's essential to consider the broader message of compassion, justice, and love that permeates the Bible.
Ultimately, this passage challenges us to think critically about our own values today, and how we respond to conflict and disobedience. It invites us to consider alternative forms of discipline and restoration, that prioritize redemption over punishment.
That's a great question! I'll answer this best I can Jackie.
The verse being referred to is Deuteronomy 21:18-21, which describes the procedure for dealing with a rebellious son. However, it's essential to understand the context and cultural background of this passage.
You are right to question this passage, as it seems harsh and contradictory to modern values. However, it's essential to consider the historical and cultural context in which it was written. In ancient Israel, family honor and community cohesion were crucial for survival.
The 'dishonor' referred to in this passage is not just about disobedience but about a son rejecting the values and beliefs of his family and community. The punishment described, is not necessarily about 'god' demanding murder, but about the community's response to someone who threatened their social fabric.
It's also important to note that this passage is not advocating for violence or murder. Rather, it's a legal procedure that emphasizes the seriousness of the offense. In reality, such cases were rare and subject to interpretation by the community elders.
Further, the Bible is a complex and multifaceted text that contains many different genres, historical contexts, and themes. While this passage may seem problematic, it's essential to consider the broader message of compassion, justice, and love that permeates the Bible.
Ultimately, this passage challenges us to think critically about our own values today, and how we respond to conflict and disobedience. It invites us to consider alternative forms of discipline and restoration, that prioritize redemption over punishment.