Do u believe that Jesus died on the cross many years ago ? 📖 📖 📖

@Gumba1000 Ok.

@Gumba1000 There are records of Pontius Pilate but none of this Jesus character.

@NortiusMaximus Yes there is. But he was referred to as Yeshua. I heard the Catholic Church has the real story but much of it has been hidden from.the masses. ☺️

@Zonuss So well hidden that even the Pope can't find it.

@NortiusMaximus The Pope cannot talk about this openly. Nice try though. Just ask Putin. ☺️

@Zonuss We have irrefutable proof that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is real but we can't publish it.

@NortiusMaximus Yes let's totally ignore the fact that the global elites know less than you do. ☺️

@Zonuss Your opinions are not facts. If the "global eliites" had evidence, they'd publish it. They don't because they don't have any.

@NortiusMaximus Considering Pilate was quite a celebrity at the time and an official, there's very little evidence of him after 2000 years. There's coins of his, there's stone carvings referencing him. There are letters written later and histories written about him later. Not written by Christians or Jews, therefore having no affiliation. So saying "there is no evidence of Jesus" is hardly an arguing point. People wrote about Jesus. People that were alive at the same time as Jesus. That's called first hand witness. Then you have people whom have written about it later, they are second hand. Why would people whom are not Christian or Jews write about a crucifixion in the historical sense, if not religiously motivated?

@Gumba1000 Such as? Who gave a contemporary account of a person called Jesus/Yeshua being crucified and coming back to life a couple of days later? That should have been front page news.

@NortiusMaximus The disciples.

@Gumba1000 What about them? Where are their contemporaneous notes to be found?

@NortiusMaximus It was.
That's why it was recorded. ☺️

@NortiusMaximus I'll refer back to a point I made before on this thread. Pilate was an official of the time. Important. There's very little evidence of him existing. There's coins minted by him and stone carvings about him. You're asking for more evidence than that!? Because frankly people wrote about Jesus whom were with him (the disciples) which you can read about because their writings have been preserved by copies made. Then there's writings made by people that were of Jesus' time in the Didache. Then there's secondary evidence of people writing about the even from a historical perspective but were from a time close enough to have been in living memory of people that could have written first hand accounts such as Quadratus.

@Gumba1000 Whare can these writings be found? How were they authenticated? At least there is some evidence of Pontius Pilate, who was really just a minor official. There is none of this Jesus character, whom many today claimed went around raising the dead any curing otherwise incurable diseases.

@NortiusMaximus I asked you what evidence you wanted. You want authentication. What authentication do you have of Pilate? Ordinary people did not have funds for minting of coins or stone carvings in those days. There aren't stacks of newspapers from the time, stacks of paper letters. Most people could not read nor write. All forms of current paper and ancient versions rot and have rotted away. Tell me about other poor people from 2000 years ago in Jerusalem. Give me a census of them.

@Gumba1000 No, I asked how these alleged document were authenticated. It seems they weren't, presuming they even existed.

@NortiusMaximus Asking how something was authenticated is the same as asking for asking for authentication. The result is the same, something authenticated. The Pilate coins I assume were carbon dated. Apart from dates printed on the coins. The carvings, something similar. As for the writings, paleography and archeology as well as early historian documents such as Tacitus

@Gumba1000 It's not the same as saying what I would accept as valid authentication though.

In other words, you don't actually know but you still state it as proven fact. :( I doubt carbon dating metal would be very recealing anyway.

@NortiusMaximus I told you how the papyrus and paper was dated. You couldn't be bothered to look up the coin yourself. I couldn't be bothered to look up the coin, even if it had a date on, you'd ask for more proof. I'm still waiting on that census from you of all the people in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus.

@NortiusMaximus Oh I did tell you how the papyrus was dated "As for the writings, paleography and archeology as well as early historian documents such as Tacitus". You're also getting confused with me explaining to you that wanting more evidence than writings, for Jesus, when Pilate was more famous of the time, only has carvings, coins and some historic references to his name - is ridiculous. You did not ask for "irrefutable proof" nor did I say I had it. Nor did I state the evidence I had was irrefutable proof. But I did say to you that it is evidence. Finally you're confused about my sarcastic request of you for a census. Keep up man.