PSA: There's no such thing as an "Agnostic". You are either a Theist or an Atheist. You either believe that a god exists or you don't. It's binary.
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Nice statement, but not true. Just because you say it's either/or doesn't make it so except maybe in your own mind.
@ChipmunkErnie
My contention is that one can be a theist- either gnostic or agnostic, or an atheist- either gnostic or agnostic.
What alternate position do you propose?
My contention is that one can be a theist- either gnostic or agnostic, or an atheist- either gnostic or agnostic.
What alternate position do you propose?
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Pikachu Agnostic -- the belief that there MIGHT be a god, but you don't feel certain that there is or isn't. Basically, the definition of the word. Theists say there is a supernatural being for certain, Atheists says there certainly is not one, Agnostic say maybe yes, maybe no, I'm not sure either way.
@ChipmunkErnie
Ah, that's where you're wrong.
That is NOT the definition of theist or atheist.
the·ist
/ˈTHēist/
1. a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
2. denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
a·the·ist
/ˈāTHēəst/
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Theist/atheist is a position of belief, NOT certainty and certainly not knowledge.
Theist/atheist describes a position of belief.
Gnostic/agnostic describes a position of knowledge.
Theists say there is a supernatural being for certain, Atheists says there certainly is not one
Ah, that's where you're wrong.
That is NOT the definition of theist or atheist.
the·ist
/ˈTHēist/
1. a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
2. denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
a·the·ist
/ˈāTHēəst/
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Theist/atheist is a position of belief, NOT certainty and certainly not knowledge.
Theist/atheist describes a position of belief.
Gnostic/agnostic describes a position of knowledge.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Pikachu You DO realize the actual definitions you gave are just what I said, right? -- despite the little disclaimers after the definitions. And nowhere did you address the basic point of the original post, the denial of agnostics.
@ChipmunkErnie
No they're not. You spoke of certainty which is not included in the definition of either.
the actual definitions you gave are just what I said, right?
No they're not. You spoke of certainty which is not included in the definition of either.