pretty pathetic how folks can talk about any other religion: paganism, Satanism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism

@Haniazed I noticed that too. They claim their religion must be right because it's the biggest but then claim to be a persecuted minority.

@NortiusMaximus are you really saying that Christians are not a persecuted minority in Afghanistan, north Korea, Saudi Arabia, China,Iran Iraq, most of north Africa, Pakistan, I could go on and on! Try doing some research!!

@TheWildEcho Christians are the ones who like to claim their religion is true because it's the biggest religion in the world. In many places they're the ones persecuting others. They love their double standards but they can't have it both ways.

@NortiusMaximus where are they persecuting others now?

@TheWildEcho Parts of the US and to some extent any country where there have sufficient numbers or positions of power.

@NortiusMaximus so are they torturing people for their beliefs?
Sending them to prison for their beliefs? Beheading them for their beliefs? I think not, perhaps do some research!

@TheWildEcho Depends how you define torture. Christian try to deny non-Christians jobs and homes. They also sometimes murder people who don't comply with the dictats of Christianity. I'm sure they'd do more if they had the power to - just like they did in the past.

@NortiusMaximus evidence of this murder?

@TheWildEcho Try looking at the news from the USA. You tell me to do some research. Well, I have. You need to stop closing your eyes to the atrocities committed by Christians.

@NortiusMaximus and what are these 'alledged' atrocities? Are people being murdered and tortured and imprisoned for their beliefs in the USA? Maybe you got hold of fake news!
And did you do any research into Christian persecution in the countries I mentioned like I suggested, simply Google Christian persecution or the Open Doors website

@TheWildEcho Like I said, try looking at the news and stop closing your eyes to reports of Christian atrocities.

Where is the evidence of Christians being persecuted [b]just for being Christians[/b]? I can't find any. There are several reports of Christians being [b]prosecuted[/b] for criminal activities. Perhaps that's what you mean by "persecution".

@NortiusMaximus like I say it happens all the time in Afghanistan, north Korea and all the other countries I mentioned

@TheWildEcho If Christians obeyed the law in those countries, they wouldn't be prosecuted. Altenatively, they can move to countries where their criminal activities are acceptable.

@NortiusMaximus you haven't a clue have you? They're not allowed to leave the countries I mentioned. And the only law they are breaking is the one which bans them from practicing their beliefs and they're being tortured, imprisoned and in some cases beheading simply for not denying Jesus as their Lord and Saviour

@TheWildEcho They can practice their beliefs in their own homes. If they didn't make a nuisance of themselves, no one would know. Would you condone Wiccans breaking the law by practising their beliefs in public if Wicca were outlawed, as it used to be when Christians had power?

@NortiusMaximus why is meeting together,'making a nuisance of themselves '?, And no, the wiccans should not be persecuted . Are you seriously suggestion that it's ok to persecute people for their beliefs in this day and age? If so you must be a very cruel person

@TheWildEcho [quote]why is meeting together,'making a nuisance of themselves '?,[/quote]
Who's saying it is? As I said, they could meet together in their own homes and no one would know. I doubt the authories would even care. It's when they try to force their beliefs onto others and corrupt the young that they are making a nuisance of themselves. The authorities rightly take action to abate that nuisance.

@NortiusMaximus it's illegal in many countries to meet together with other believers even in someones house, it's also illegal in several countries to own a bible

@TheWildEcho I suspect laws like that were passed because of the problems Christians caused. If Christians met quietly, in their own homes, who else would know what they were doing? Aternatively, and I know this would be a bit radical, they could simply obey the law.

@NortiusMaximus so you're saying that they shouldn't meet together? Why not? Sometimes you have the choice between obeying a holy God or an evil dictatorship. I think it's terrible that laws are passed banning people from worshipping together, but for some reason you think it's acceptable

@Haniazed The observation by the OP was about the treatment of Christians here, on SW.

@TheWildEcho Christians in the US and the UK frequently campaign for laws to restict the freedoms of non-christians. Gay marriage and (in the UK) opening shops on Sundays are two that immediately spring to mind. Dancing on Sundays was another thing they objected to, although I think that law has been repealed. They object to people working on Sundays, "the Lord's Day" as they call it, although I'm sure they get really upset if their clubhouse caught fire on a Sunday and the fire brigade refused to attend until the next day. It seems it's a different matter when the law prohibits them from doing just as they like.

As I said, if they simply met together in their own homes, no one need know whether they were swapping recipes or discussing mythical beings. They bring problems on themselves by causing disruption and generally making nuisances of themselves. We see it here in the UK to some extent and I understand it's even worse in the US. We tolerate it; the authorities in some other countries don't.

@NortiusMaximus yes we opposed Sunday trading and so did the trade unions, in a very peaceful way and you think that compares with the violence some Christians experience just for their beliefs? You keep saying the authorities don't care and you are totally wrong, for example when the Taliban took over in Afghanistan they told the Christians they were out to get them(simply for their beliefs) and tracked some down by the Christian apps on their phones, many tyrannical Muslim governments see persecuting Christians as the will of Allah, it's what's happening in the world!! And in North Korea there are many in prison just for their beliefs. Why do you keep denying the facts ? Have a look at 'open doors' website

@TheWildEcho Yes, Christians opposed Sunday trading and gay marriage. What gives them the right to dictate what others do? If they don't want to go shopping on a Sunday, no one's forcing them to. No one is even forcing their priests to conduct gay marriages either. You claim Christians suffer violence but you completely overlook the violence Christians inflict on others, such as those attending planned parenting clinics or publically manifest their own, non-christian, beliefs,

You say the Taliban tracked Christians down by Christian apps on their phones. If they didn't have those apps, they couldn't have been detected by that method. As I said, if they quietly met together in their own homes, no one would know what they were up to. They draw attention to themselves by annoying others then claim they're being persecuted.

[quote]many tyrannical Muslim governments see persecuting Christians as the will of Allah,[/quote]
Just as some Christians see persecuting members of other religions as the will of their god. Have they forgotten the "do unto others" doctrine or is it one of the teachings they choose to ignore?

Isn't their god meant to work in mysterious ways, with everything being part of its "perfect plan". If it chooses to not protect its followers, surely it must have a reason. It's rather arrogant of them to believe they know better and seek to frustrate its efforts.

"Open Doors" is a Christian propaganda organization, started by a smuggler, so I'd take their claims with a rather large helping of salt.

@NortiusMaximus so you're going to carry on burying your head in the sand and denying reality