Exactly! It's not cheating if you are up front about it and honest about it.

You cannot really cheat without lying can you?

Yup. Together with stealing. I hate giving the army credit for anything, but I love the simplicity of their honor code:

[b][i]“A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal nor tolerate those who do”[/i][/b]

to cheat, you must lie, even if by omission, and to lie, you are cheating someone out of the truth.

they, at least, rank the same on the scale of betrayal.

How do you cheat without lying?

Hell yes! You have to lie to cheat!

yes a form of it

yep

Of course. It is deception.
So, to the person who obsesses about honesty, calls other liars and pretends they are such and so honorable, yet has a fling and on-line gf's, you are one.

Damn straight it is, how is it not. One can pretend loyalty and honesty all they want but it's still lyin

Cheating and lying are like two cousins having intimate relations.

No

Cheating is cheating and
Lying is lying

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