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How are you with ultimatums? (Long post)

I have lived alone for 13 years and in this time I've created a home that I love.
I think my rules are simple and reasonable.
Previous relationships have ended simply because they've disrespected and disregarded the struggle I've been through to develop my home, my self as a person and my level of ease in this space.

Due to current situations I have taken a massive step back in the hope that my partner would step up to help more including, following the preset rules.

I'm not a person that believes in nagging or being a parrot.

Key points to leading to our current situation are this.
When introduced to my home I showed and created space in the shoe cupboard at the front door to accommodate them.
They've been shown around the kitchen and given free roam to familiarise themselves with it and where everything goes.

Towels in use go on a rack over the radiator.
A large draw, 3 shelves and wardrobe space has created to allow for flexibility.

Basics in my opinion when sharing and including a partner in a space.

As the pregnancy goes on I've been resting more so I'm in bed leaving the partner to get on.

Shoes have been left on the floor-when asked why a response was given. Left there because they are taking the dog for a walk later...
Dog goes out between 7-11am, 2-3pm, 6-8pm.

Tea towels that usually are placed on the oven handle have been left on the surfaces, or living room table.
I forgot.

Hoover taken out the kitchen cupboard, has been used. Won't be emptied, battery placed back on charge, left standing in the hallway.
I was supposed to empty it but forgot.

Initially I asked them if they'd forgotten where things go, and showed my partner. Sometimes even placed items back, only to get I was going to do that.
But as my frustration and irritability has built my tone and approach has changed.

Example, where's the tea towels?

Oh I'd hate for the dog to chew these shoes or, is there a reason for the shoes in the hallway?

Have you finished hoovering?

Its my way of getting a answer and action to correct.

Consequently and argument started while my mum was here. Where I was told I'm annoying and my response was so was they. The following morning they broached the subject.
I let them talk for 15 mins about my tone and how it made them feel including examples.
I took some time to process, my snap back isn't healthy. (sometimes my silence seems like a shut down)
The moment I felt I could articulate myself appropriately. I was cut into.

I started by explaining why I changed my tactic to get the action done.

Since I hadn't started the sentence with I'm sorry, it was cut off and I had to listen to another 15 mins of why they thought I was wrong and why they wouldn't stay.
And now needed to pack their things to go.

I did shut down this time, I simply suggested that if this was what was needed they should leave.

The packing started. With pauses to sit down.

Followed by asking me if all things should be removed today.
I didn't want to take responsibility for their choice so suggested they do what they feel is best.
This went back and fourth so I said take it all.

More sitting, more silence.

Eventually I spoke and started with the apology they required, and explained my points and reasoning, including my questioning their forgetfulness.

Whether that was taken on who knows.

I personally believe after my apology for making them feel inadequate I think he stopped listening.
Simply because I got a further 15 mins of them talking.

An explanation regarding leaving the shoes was, at their home they take shoes off, take dog lead and collar off and place in the living room cupboard. They return to the hallway to take coat off and put shoes away. 🤔

Is this resolved for me? no!

Will I change my approach? yes.

Do i believe this will change? temporarily yes...

Why did I apologise?
I'm pregnant and could do without rising cortisol levels.


The ultimatum for me feels childish, the monologues unnecessary.

Do I come across cold? quite possibly simply because I don't see why these things are arguments.

It's about respecting a space, that's in theory mine, but now become ours.

He knows I'm not always the tidiest and with my tiredness it offers me less time in the day to correct them.

Pre pregnancy things were different and I managed better.

When in their home, questions are asked and the space is maintained.
greensnacks · 31-35, F
Uh.
I was going to say something reasonable that both sides could be right and wrong, but last sentence. If he can maintain that level of tidiness at his home, then he's not "forgetful" just is either lazy or doesn't care enough.
It's even worse because of your state. He should respect and care for you more during pregnancy and not less.
You maintained the place before, so less arguments. Now you can't, and he can't even bother to not rile up your hormones? No maam, he's doing that because he doesn't care enough.

I've been on the messier side, and I genuinely am the way I am- everywhere. I believe its adhd and I'm like that everywhere. Bedroom. Kitchen, living room, etc etc just because I'm always in a "fictional rush"
. And it's not because I don't care about the space being untidy , or the person that cleaned that, which is more often than not me (lol) it's simply because I have something more important to do seemingly at that time and leave it. However, if I want, and really try, I can keep it tidy. It's just that it exerts A LOT LOT of my energy if I do that constantly and I'm exhausted immediately.
Hence i need two places for me and my partner - he would live on one floor, me on another. That among other reasons.

So, I really hope your partner comes to your senses ESPECIALLY because you're pregnant. Good luck.
Mellowgirl · 31-35, F
@greensnacks it's funny. You're probably more like my mum.
It's the way I grew up so I'm familiar with such settings. So this is why I don't want to be a nag.

The difference between you and her is.

She used to get me to tidy more for the maintenance at home and then mess it up after.

So I couldn't wait to move out.

If I've asked him to help I kind of just expect that he can take the reigns, although if won't be exactly like me he can at least maintain what is 'neat'.

I've moaned to him about my mum in my space not because she's messy but more so I've lived here 13 years. My rules haven't changed. My kitchen hasn't been rearranged. But if she offers to help she will ask me the same questions about where things go. And whether I use the washing up sponge or the blue and white cloth to wipe down the surfaces...
And if I have a slight irritation in my voice it sets off a massive argument.

Which he's witnessed.

He doesn't like to be told he's wrong or that he needs to alter his behaviour.

The deeper part here is that he does do this at home. And his sister lives with him and he makes allowances and accommodates. Ie helping with cooking she doesn't like to touch chicken, she won't eat lamb. He'll season the meat and prepare Sunday dinner and not cook lamb at all despite it being his favourite.

He'll ask her to take the rubbish out but she'll leave it unless she can get her boyfriend to do it. Consequently meaning their dog has got into it more than once.

He never seems to complain about what he has to do additionally at his home. But here...
greensnacks · 31-35, F
@Mellowgirl he possibly doesn't see the place as his own, hence the alienation. Maybe in time.
Mellowgirl · 31-35, F
@greensnacks I agree.

I think it's that.

He spends days at a time at mine. But will return home Sunday to Thursday.
I think he sees it as a way for both of us go have some rest bite...
greensnacks · 31-35, F
Also one more thing - is he on the older side? If yes, (but not limited to middle age people) something physical could be happening in his brain.
Mellowgirl · 31-35, F
@greensnacks I'm 33, he's 34.

He's never had a long term relationship.
He's never lived with a partner.

He's the oldest child and he looked after his younger siblings. He and his sister are 10 years apart, his mum returned to work 3 months after having her so her care fell on him.
At 11/12. Although he knew basic things, he had to learn how to do more or less everything on his own to help his parents.

Consequently they praised him and were thankful because he took it on.. I don't think they ever really complained or interfered because well they needed the help to continue.
I'm not saying that he can't do anything right. He has learned to do things from first hand experience.

He has been given a very high position in his family where by they come to him now for everything.

Recently he went as far as to reveal that prior to us meeting he was content with his life. He didn't think he'd meet anyone and wasn't in a place where he was looking he kind of concluded he would be single and look after his family.

We met because his friend put him on a dating app
You want me to be honest?....i think its the pressures of pregnancy.

Its hard to see, but life has been getting harder and harder....and very much more crucial for you.

I think that a little softening of expectations could be a good thing.
Soon things are gonna get WAY harder, less time.... less time for perfectionism.

Think of what you NEED most.

Is it tidyness....or is it support?
Is it better he's there.... in a chaotic house, or youre there alone in a neat one?

Sometimes we cant have it all.....but we can have what we need ...
.... does that make sense?


Id let go the perfectionism....i had that....it nearly ruined me from being in tune with my children.
I was doing it all.....the neat house, the children presented perfectly.....it was a misery for them and me. No fun.

Let go....be calm....itll all work out even if the laundry lives on the couch.

Time with those you love is irreplaceable.

The house can be tidy when they start going to school 🤗

Sorry if i seem blunt.
But dont make the mistake too many mothers make - you don't have to be perfect, you just have to be there for the ones you love..... and yourself 🤗
Mellowgirl · 31-35, F
@OogieBoogie it's ok. I rather we talk this out so I can learn to. Your perspective is insightful. And it is something that I have taken into consideration.
I don't want to drive him away.

His absent mindedness has developed over time.
Although he says he isn't nervous about the pending arrival it may be buried.
And I appreciate that which is why although clearly unhelpful I've changed tactic as it got an instant action. Part of me wonders why it me doing it so much and built frustration in him for him to address or even just do what was needed.

For me I've tried to make things so easy here so everything does have its place.

Please believe the top of my dresser is organised chaos.
So it's not about perfectionism but what belongs on there stays on there.
@Mellowgirl nah, i think I understand better now.

And you may be right....hes carrying buried stress.

And i do agree ....that there has to be some essential basics to organised chaos.

Ah well.....maybe hes just one of those types that has to learn the hard way ?🤷‍♀
Maybe stuff has to get out of control before he awakens to how much harder it makes life?

Sometimes you can tell, and debate and reason all you want with someone - but they NEED to live it to learn🤷‍♀

Good luck 😅
Mellowgirl · 31-35, F
@OogieBoogie ha... Thank you for taking the time to hear me out.

I appreciate what you have said and I will take it all on board.

I want this to work and I don't want go drive him away.

How I deal with this going forward from his perspective I need to be direct! (in my head that's chasing behind him like a child)
Let's see if our stress levels can take that!

 
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