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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
I've been delving in the work of Samuel Perry, Phillip Gorski and Andrew Whitehead. All are sociologists, but they also have different other backgrounds. At least 2 of them are Christians and have interests in religion & theology. All of them have written about Christian Nationalism... sometimes together sometimes with other co-authors sometimes by themselves.
Right now I'm reading a solo work by Gorski called: [i]"American Covenant: A history of Civil Religion from the puritans to the present". [/i]
I think all 3 of them are worth reading if you want to understand contemporary American politics.
Right now I'm reading a solo work by Gorski called: [i]"American Covenant: A history of Civil Religion from the puritans to the present". [/i]
I think all 3 of them are worth reading if you want to understand contemporary American politics.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sunriselover If you want fiction... read "Dune" by Frank Herbert... 'cause Dune!
Another really good one, was "The Plague" by Albert Camus.
Another really good one, was "The Plague" by Albert Camus.
sunriselover · M
@sunriselover Contemporary American Politics is like a fog to me. We have no equivalent to White Fundamentalism in the UK.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@supersnipe I read it during the first week of COVID quarantines in my country. It was on my bookshelf for a while. Even though it's a really short book, I never really picked it up. I read it in a couple of hours. I believe it to be really well written and he feels to be spot on with certain ideas. I even made a small post about it on this website. The introduction / first chapter ... felt like something every worldly leader should have read at the beginning of the pandemic, because all the issues with humanity tackling a foe that it can't truly comprehend because it's so unusual for a human being to tackle... is all fitted in that short introduction.
I think it was wonderfull, even when it describes the horror of a city being ravaged by a deadly virus.
I think it was wonderfull, even when it describes the horror of a city being ravaged by a deadly virus.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sunriselover I don't really know what you mean with "white fundamentalism". If you mean "white supremacy" and/or "religious fundamentalism", I think you have equivalent ideas inside the UK though.
The UK itself has a long history of colonialism [i](like a lot of other Europeaan countries btw)[/i], which was partially backed up by a conception of whiteness. An idea that settlers took with them to the new world. The region that has the largest segments of Christian Nationalists in the United States are regions that predominantly have British roots. That same region (the deep south) is also the region that tried to secede in the 19th century and enforced the Jim Crow laws till late in the 20th century. This entire dataset on which these ideologies are founded, have largely migrated from Britain. I can't imagine the UK is free from these datasets in 2024. Especially not when the colonial system was maintained till after the 2nd World War, which is roughly 75 years ago. Datasets (ideas) don't disperse that quickly, and they will influence the next generation.
You also have manifestations of this in parties like UKIP and English Defense League. And a segment of the population voted for Brexit because Xenophobic tendencies were there biggest priority while making their decision.
The UK itself has a long history of colonialism [i](like a lot of other Europeaan countries btw)[/i], which was partially backed up by a conception of whiteness. An idea that settlers took with them to the new world. The region that has the largest segments of Christian Nationalists in the United States are regions that predominantly have British roots. That same region (the deep south) is also the region that tried to secede in the 19th century and enforced the Jim Crow laws till late in the 20th century. This entire dataset on which these ideologies are founded, have largely migrated from Britain. I can't imagine the UK is free from these datasets in 2024. Especially not when the colonial system was maintained till after the 2nd World War, which is roughly 75 years ago. Datasets (ideas) don't disperse that quickly, and they will influence the next generation.
You also have manifestations of this in parties like UKIP and English Defense League. And a segment of the population voted for Brexit because Xenophobic tendencies were there biggest priority while making their decision.
sunriselover · M
@Kwek00 Is this all covered in the book you mentioned?
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sunriselover No... the 3 authors I mentioned only focus on the United States. Gorski does go back to the 17th and early 18th century... talking about ideas that came in from settler movements.
You can also find a talk by Robert P. Jones on youtube, called: "History Is Lunch: Robert P. Jones, "The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy", who wrote a book called: "The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy: And the Path to a Shared American Future". That touches on the settlers and the ideas they brought from Europe. This book is purely invested in the ideology.
A meta-analysis of contemporary Right-Wing Populist parties can be found too. Cas Mudde wrote a good one called: "Populist Radical Right Parties in Europe", that has a segment talking about the UK. This is a broad overview though, talking about the main ideas that fuel these kinds of parties and why people vote for them. Another title is "Radical-Right-Wing-Populism in Western Europe" by Hanz-George Betz.
... This far-right conservatism that usually comes with xenophobic tendencies has a long history. Some intresting works on that have been written by Zeev Sternhell. I think: "The Anti-Enlightenment Tradition" is worth reading. He takes the ideas back too Burke and Herder. He also wrote some really good works on Fascism: "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" and "Neither Left nor Right: Fascist Ideology in France". These books purely talk about the ideology.
And you can read Far-Right ideological works... If you want a british right winger that published a lot, you might find Oswald Mosley intresting. I think, that the biggest influence for the contemporary right-wing comes from France though, with books like "view from the right" (Part I, 2, 3) by Alain de Benoist.
But yeah, there are loads of authors talking about this toppic. And considering our cultural backgrounds, I wouldn't say these ideas are rooted out. 75 years since WW2, is not enough to change the ideas of an entire country. Segments of the population are still influenced and believe in certain core ideas, and sometimes create a movement.
You can also find a talk by Robert P. Jones on youtube, called: "History Is Lunch: Robert P. Jones, "The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy", who wrote a book called: "The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy: And the Path to a Shared American Future". That touches on the settlers and the ideas they brought from Europe. This book is purely invested in the ideology.
A meta-analysis of contemporary Right-Wing Populist parties can be found too. Cas Mudde wrote a good one called: "Populist Radical Right Parties in Europe", that has a segment talking about the UK. This is a broad overview though, talking about the main ideas that fuel these kinds of parties and why people vote for them. Another title is "Radical-Right-Wing-Populism in Western Europe" by Hanz-George Betz.
... This far-right conservatism that usually comes with xenophobic tendencies has a long history. Some intresting works on that have been written by Zeev Sternhell. I think: "The Anti-Enlightenment Tradition" is worth reading. He takes the ideas back too Burke and Herder. He also wrote some really good works on Fascism: "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" and "Neither Left nor Right: Fascist Ideology in France". These books purely talk about the ideology.
And you can read Far-Right ideological works... If you want a british right winger that published a lot, you might find Oswald Mosley intresting. I think, that the biggest influence for the contemporary right-wing comes from France though, with books like "view from the right" (Part I, 2, 3) by Alain de Benoist.
But yeah, there are loads of authors talking about this toppic. And considering our cultural backgrounds, I wouldn't say these ideas are rooted out. 75 years since WW2, is not enough to change the ideas of an entire country. Segments of the population are still influenced and believe in certain core ideas, and sometimes create a movement.