I'm reading the craziest thing about this Iran war, including that Israel and Iran both have incentives to make it as large as possible

Because neither side can win it alone. And even that the US is supposed to lose this one and be out of the middle east for a generation, and the only reliable direction is the entire middle east is going to be uninvestible for a century

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justbob · 61-69, M

You are reading from some crazy sources then. There is no way the U.S. could lose. Iran's military has been shattered. The best they could do is survive for a few months and force the Kurds to take a hand.

Iran might want to draw it out in the hope that Israel and the U.S. decide that finishing them off is not worth the effort, but Israel has had enough of the current Iranian government. The current Iranian government is doomed.

Waveney · M

@justbob The US will lose in the long-run. However, if Trump can somehow bomb freedom, stability and women's rights into Iran then I take my hat off to him.

However, I think we know who is wearing the pants in this conflict.

justbob · 61-69, M

@Waveney Lose how? It's like the black knight in Monty Python

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Waveney · M

@justbob The US thought it had won after installing the puppet Shah. Until 1979... Btw, amazing movie (not that the Black Knight fired missiles and killed hundreds of civilians)

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@justbob Even with a population where half of them hate the government, and the Kurds (who the US betrayed a month ago), and the widespread bombing you're left with:

A population of 90 million. An army of one million people. An enormous stockpile of munitions and weaponry inside of mountains. A country the size of the entire midwest but it's all mountains. Also the notion that these types of bombing campaigns have never, ever won wars.

The government may very well fall, but the IRGC will not, and they're who actually matter.

There's a reason Karoline Leavitt just refused to rule out the military draft. They know this won't be over fast.

justbob · 61-69, M

@Waveney For 26 years we did win. 26 years is not short term

Waveney · M

@justbob And America will regret this in another 26 years, or longer. After all, this all started with Churchill. This was why we were very pleased when Trump said that Keir Starmer was "no Churchill".

justbob · 61-69, M

@Waveney Only time will tell.

Waveney · M

@justbob Yup. America will regret this villainy. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But it will; and in ways we can't possibly imagine.