@O'Connor you aren't making any sense -merely trotting out the words 'bigot' and 'hate' because I haven't just exposed the emptiness of your argument -you've exposed the emptiness of your heart.

I made it clear that I thought the Stanford rape case was appalling. You are the one that argued it meant 'we' had no right to feel any empathy for women from other cultures facing systemic and legally backed discrimination("what right have you to judge? "). Don't twist my argument so that you don't have to reflect on the absence of logic in yours.

I am criticizing human rights abuses. You're trying to argue they don't matter because they stem from cultural sources. Human rights are universal. If they could be limited to social consensus then the holocaust would be fine, slavery would be fine.

I have a very clear idea of the culture that 'idealises' women only to deny them freedom. I hear and see the other side of that 'idealisation' which is violence. It is women physically harmed to fit that purity (FGM) or punished if they fall from a male's determination of what that purity entails (denial of freedom, child marriage, honour killings, beatings by morality police for 'crimes'of clothing or behaviour). I hear Western women denigrated as 'mud surrounded by flies' or 'uncovered meat' by religious leaders. If I have no respect for the aspects of certain cultures that condone violence against women it is because they deserve none.

You're a shell of a person. All sound. No meaning. You're devoid of human compassion.

And for the record every day I stand up to people like you and battle the insidious morally bankrupt poison you peddle that violence against women is a justifiable and culturally relative thing - I am doing great things in this world.

I don't know if I agree with everything your said, (it will take a little more digesting). Morally and philosophically there are some seriously heavy concepts involved. However, I can agree with some of the under current involved in the statement. I believe you are hitting on a phenomenon that is rarely discussed in "civilized and supposedly proper circles". It seems that misery, mayhem and suffering have become spectator sports. That to me, is the saddest of social commentaries.

It is seen in the election of President Duterte in the Philippines who won by saying correctly the country was in danger of becoming a narco-terrorist state & has launched the police at drug dealers and the army against Moslem terrorists in Basilan and by the hoped for (by me) election of Donald Trump in the USA. The world is in chaos because it has become just a playground for the world elite class who NEVER suffer from any inconvenience this chaos brings but use it to advance their particular agendas. And they have millions of willing slaves, semi-educated moral narcissists to help, many of whom you can find here.

Well once upon a time the world was never blind like we are(not me). A shame it had to come to this.it won't last much longer.

Few things:

If you believe passively and actively violent and unfair US and Western culture policies against women are somehow less damaging to women, you are ill-informed. A revered judge just sentenced a male to almost no time because "20 minutes" (all the time it takes to rape an unconscious girl) shouldn't merit a really steep penalty.

If you think "illegal masses" are bringing "untold suffering to natives," then yes, you are a xenophobe. It's simply not true.

If you think hurling personal insults at people for things they've said is productive, you are petty. Be substantive.

If you're implying the greatest demographic of those with HIV/AIDS is homosexuals, you are ignorant and the correct information is at your fingertips should you want to learn.

If you think there aren't women - many, many of them - who are as strong as many males, you're flat out wrong. Yes, men are generally bigger and have more muscle mass. It's hardly an immutable rule of the universe.

You call out those who don't let you state your opinions or challenge things, then devolve into factless, narrow insults. That's not a conversation; it just makes you one of the shouters.

Very well said, but it's a lot more than contempt that gays and women suffer in some Islamic countries. There are 11 Islamic countries that have the death penalty for being gay. They throw them off high buildings. If they are not fortunate to die by the fall, they will then stone them or set them alight.

all politics aside, the birthrate is what is going to win or lose the culture war. Right now: Islam > Christianity > Atheism > Feminism. Don't worry too much about feminism, it will die out. Now Islam, that's another thing altogether. It's no accident the mayor of the capital of the UK is now a muslim. It's just demographics

Okay, yeah, because there aren't equivalents of this on both sides? Westboro don't rally? Gay people don't get bashed? People didn't used to lose their jobs for being Gay?
Freespeech allows you to voice your grievances, but does not mean you should be allowed to discriminate against others

Yes I remember that, Rose McGowan having a hissy fit about it was very random and strange, to me it seemed she just wanted to bring attention to herself and say remember me.. I'm still around...

You're saying that people in the west whine about minor things at home and don't care about bigger issues abroad. Issues abroad are the responsibility of those abroad. That's my take.

Sweetdreamrubi@ Happily you don't have the right to suppress the ideas of people you don't agree with. You do have the right to not read what violates your sensitive spirit...may you can create a "safe space" group here where you and other snowflakes can recover?

@Abreinda incisive and brilliant as usual. You're many times smarter than me. Don't ever forget that dear.

@plunge you mean the Mayor Sadiq Khan. I came across a news today where during one of his Remain campaign in the public, women wearing burqas are relegated to the back of the crowd just like what Islam preaches. Strangely, there is pin drop silence from UK feminist harridans. Hmmm funny that😉

A mind so open that all your brains spill out?

However, issues reach a point when compromise and the hope for reasoned debate becomes hopeless, even self-destructive and enabling of the very forces promoting chaos.

Nor did I attach the word "leftist" to the term moral narcissism. It is a concept defies such labels.

However, what is undeniable is that the suppression of free speech and expression is coming worldwide from the left, not the right.

You really think PC is not oppressing free speech? And the mobs who attack Trump rallies? You see them at Hillary or Sander's rallies? You don't think losing your job cause you don't want to bake a cake for a homosexual couple is not suppressing free speech/association? I could go on and on with such examples. Is that you do not see this as suppression of free speech or simply do not wish to?

I see the fairy isn't such a "lightweight" after all! My apologies for thinking otherwise.

I don't know if you listen to mr. Mark Levin but that rant sounded just like one he wen on the other night

I agree with what you are saying here. People get their panties in a wad over something trivial when someone doesn't use politically-correct speech (and the press has a field day with it) but in countries like you mention honor killings are common when a woman doesn't marry the man her family chooses and goes for a love marriage. And I've said for decades about the AIDS spreading, yes some get it from "heterosexual" sex but there is a homosexual link like the male got it when he was in prison and then transmits it to a wife or girlfriend after he gets out.

no ones trying to supress anything I'm just saying I don't agree.
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Abrienda, I wasn't referencing you. I haven't read the comments.
I would gladly deny that it is coming from the left. I don't even know what suppression of free speech you're talking about. I think the fact that Donald trump exists and the existence of right wing media would deny that. Its just that the hard right wing represents the minority in Western society now.

There's so many wrong things with this that, you know, whatever.

You just became my new best friend !!! You NAILED it 100%!!! :)

I'm not trying to justify any of these actions, I am trying to illustrate that both sides are as bad as each other and the left vs right battle is bulls hut because they have so much in common

@SweetDreams the reason being??

Faery: You keep tilting at those windmills. I'll keep cancelling you out at the voting booth.

I never even told you my own personal views.

I believe it's past your med time.

Jesus christ, I'm not saying that these things aren't happening, but it is uttering baffling that you would think that they are exclusive to one side. If you choose to only look at one group - and then say that we are only talking about the left - and then go further to say that IT IS ONLY THE LEFT - just because you have taken right wing activists out of the equation. Just because these are the terms you have tried to set yourself.

I am not excusing shit - violence is not an answer for either side - and neither is intimidation. But you cannot deny service to a homosexual, just as you cannot deny service to someone being black. Your own sexuality does not mean that you can simply claim that you speak for everyone in the community.

I really think you can point out these things, but when you refer to all those who disagree as 'self styled morally superior leftists' it gets of on the wrong foot. I think there is just an issue of everyone being so black and white about these issues rather than approaching it with an open mind

@Supercute so do you think a MOVIE POSTER featuring fictional characters no less, measures up to the real oppression and suffering faced by poor woman in Islamic countries? Then what is the reason of existence for FEMINIST if not helping the under privileged girls worldwide?

downtobusiness@ Try reading some philosophy. What is your point? And how does that contradict what I just wrote?

In any case you do not excuse someone's bad behavior by pointing to someone else's bad behavior. That is Camus, whom I am sure you have never heard of.

I'm not American by the way

@faery: Everyone's rights are sacred. Why do you make a distinction between who should get more sympathy? "The quality of mercy is not strained."

You are willfully ignorant of the culture you denigrate. That's not offensive to any particular race, culture or gender. That's offensive to mankind. Until you remove bigotry and hate, you cannot do good in the world.

Also regarding Westboro and Islam. For your information Westboro Church no longer exist...why? Because they had NO support among Christians. You compare a bunch of idiots who nevertheless killed no one to 9/11? To London?...San Bernardino?...Brussels?...PARIS?...NIGERIA?...MADRID?...MOSCOW?...BESLAN?...MINDANAO? You are either too stupid to understand proportionality or you are simply being dishonest by your equating the two...I go for the latter.

I don't expect this to bring you any nearer to rational thought but is meant to give aid and comfort and hopefully ammunition to those who may have to deal with people like you again.

But for now, your lesson is over.

O'Connor who are we to judge? We aren't talking about a sub species of human here. Human rights are universal. If we don't care about the human rights of a 14 year old who is whipped to death in front of her parents for reporting a rape then why should we care about the Stanford rape victim? Sacred position of women? You don't get it do you? Violence against women for not conforming to "moral" codes is wrong no matter how many women are cheering from the sidelines.

You are unbelievably callous as well as an example of the daft, self absorbed and hypocritical thinking the opening poster was talking about.

You make me embarrassed for humanity.

No OConnor the fact you refer to human rights abuses as 'windmills' tells us all we need to know about your personality.

You are one callous individual dismissing grotesque human rights abuses occurring in the name of Islam because you have no empathy for people you view as an exotic "other" and fetishize

Human rights are universal

Women being beaten legally for 'moral' crimes such as wearing trousers or showing their ears from African countries like Sudan to Indonesia
Laws against homosexuality and
apostasy in 15 countries
Women being charged for rape in Afghanistan, Brunei and Abu Dhabi
Parliaments that argue whether children of nine should be marriageable in Yemen and Iraq
Sexual slavery introduced by ISIS
The legality of stoning adulterers in several countries (though thankfully its usually not applied)
Increasing rates of FGM in countries like Indonesia
In Saudi Arabia women unable to leave the house without a male escort

And I 'misunderstand' the culture -which actually idolises women

No it is unacceptable to any decent human being

So in the end O'Conner that is all you are cancelling out

Any intelligent thought you may be capable of and human decency

Go on congratulating yourself

You're views are as sickening and unacceptable as any apologist's for violence and human rights abuses that's ever argued a class of people deserve less rights than another for any reason and one of those women who is a traitor to little girls everywhere who deserve better from privileged people like you.

@Sweet I'm excited to know your opposing views. Maybe you can elaborate your stance?

@downtobusiness if you want to point out anything it is better to have developed a well thought out argument. Yours isn't.

@Ozuye dear pls enlighten me as to who is this Mr.Levin.

Faery: Funny you think all women should want, believe and try to obtain what you hold to be right and true. Yes, the middle east is full of human rights violations. But how intolerant and ignorant to assume that many Muslim women don't understand and agree with what they're culture teaches. The laws stem not from subjugation but from the sacred position of women in society. Yeah, we don't get it. Yeah, it's probably not perfect. But who are you to judge anyone or anything?

As for your comments as to who shows the better intelligence, thank you for doing the job for me.

Absolute freedom is not a law and never had been.

@downtobusiness the Westboro Baptists are an extreme, with no political power, and no consensus with the majority of their faith.

In contrast Islam and Sharia law are inseparable and the majority of Muslims globally wish to live under it. 15 Islamic countries outlawing apostasy in the name of Sharia, means the criminalization of free thought is a norm in Islam.

You should learn to recognize the difference and think less superficially.