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Shadowstep · 26-30, M
... can he make a rock he CAN'T lift?
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
From GotQuestions.org - "This question is based on a popular misunderstanding about the definitions of words like "almighty" or "omnipotent." These terms do not mean that God can do anything. Rather, they describe the amount of God's power. Power is the ability to effect change - to make something happen. God (being unlimited) has unlimited power, and the Bible affirms this (Job 11:7-11, 37:23; 2 Corinthians 6:18; Revelation 4:8; etc.). Therefore, God can do whatever is possible to be done. God cannot, however, do that which is actually impossible. This is because true impossibility is not based on the amount of power one has, it is based on what is really possible. The truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power. Therefore, unless context indicates otherwise (e.g. Matthew 19:26 where man's ability is being shown in contrast to God's), impossibility means the same thing whether or not God is involved.
So, the first part of the question is based on a false idea - that God being almighty means that He can do anything. In fact, the Bible itself lists things God cannot do - like lie or deny Himself (Hebrews 6:18; 2 Timothy 2:13; Titus 1:2). The reason He cannot do these things is because of His nature and the nature of reality itself. God cannot do what is not actually possible to be done, like creating a two-sided triangle, or a married bachelor. Just because words can be strung together this way does not make the impossible possible - these things are contradictions, they are truly impossible in reality. Now, what about this rock? A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power. But an infinite rock is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite. Only God is infinite. There cannot be two infinites. So the question is actually asking if God can make a contradiction - which He cannot."
So, the first part of the question is based on a false idea - that God being almighty means that He can do anything. In fact, the Bible itself lists things God cannot do - like lie or deny Himself (Hebrews 6:18; 2 Timothy 2:13; Titus 1:2). The reason He cannot do these things is because of His nature and the nature of reality itself. God cannot do what is not actually possible to be done, like creating a two-sided triangle, or a married bachelor. Just because words can be strung together this way does not make the impossible possible - these things are contradictions, they are truly impossible in reality. Now, what about this rock? A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power. But an infinite rock is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite. Only God is infinite. There cannot be two infinites. So the question is actually asking if God can make a contradiction - which He cannot."
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
Why the silence now? Cat get your tongue?
Seek God & shun evil; crave saving life and abhor your sins.
Seek God & shun evil; crave saving life and abhor your sins.
Shadowstep · 26-30, M
@Lincoln98: look I'm not going to turn to a few thousand year old book to solve my problems, the book is the worst science fiction novel I ever read
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
@Shadowstep: It's quite clear you have barely read it - if at all even - because if the Bible is science fiction, then science as we know it today is the greatest fiction
Shadowstep · 26-30, M
@Lincoln98: ok did Jesus make the time to write the Bible? No, was any of his disciples alive when the book was written? No, was anyone alive during that time period? No, the book was written years after these events happened. Never documented during those times only afterwards which gives it some false statements because no one backed it up
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
@Shadowstep: You do know what the bible is, right? 😕
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
@Shadowstep: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/what-is-the-Bible.html
http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html
http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html
Shadowstep · 26-30, M
@Lincoln98: everyone knows what the Bible is, and it's stupid
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
@Shadowstep: @Shadowstep: @Shadowstep:
1."ok did Jesus make the time to write the Bible?"
All Scripture is God-breathed". The bible - a compilation of books - was written by men inspired of God, by the Holy Spirit. If you'd bothered to read the content of the links I sent you, I would have been saved the trouble of having to speak again.
Each author, for each book (each book of the Bible were not written by 1 individual person; sone was written by 1 person alone; some wrote 2, some 4. 66 books by 40 authors.
Another fantastic thing of the Bible is that most of these authors had no relation to each other/never knew each other/were decades and centuries before each other - most realised in the old testament - and despite this, that none knew each other and some were already dead while others were just newly born, what they wrote do not contradict but approve each other even, in total direct accordance.
2."was any of his disciples alive when the book was written?"
Again, the bible is a compilation of 66 books, written by 40 authors, over a period of approximately 1,500 years (But that is not to say that it took 1,500 years to write the Bible, only that it took that long for the complete canon of Scripture to be penned as God progressively revealed His Word.)
Each author wrote at the direction of the Holy Spirit who “breathed out” Scripture to him. Peter explains this process: “Prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21; cf. 2 Timothy 3:16).
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/write-the-Bible.html
So now, tell me, do dead men write books?
Suffer your arrogance!
3."was anyone alive during that time period?"
Yes! Cite the answer in question two; PLUS many notable figures are spoken of in the Bible, such as: Augustus Caesar, the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire, Antonius Felix, Pontius Festus, Gamaliel, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa (to name a few)
If you yet hold that opinion, which is grounded on your bland ignorance, you must also be willing to denounce your history book this very moment! (the same books which your fellow atheists cite & affirm).
4a."No, the book was written years after these events happened. Never documented during those times only afterwards"
Again, refer to the answer in 2.
4b."which gives it some false statements because no one backed it up"
Pagan, non-Christian sources whow provide accounts of Jesus:
1. Thallus (52AD)
2. Tacitus (56-120AD)
3. Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
4. Phlegon (80-140AD)
5. Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
6. Suetonius (69-140AD)
7. Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
8. Celsus (175AD)
Ancient hostile Jewish sources describing Jesus
1. Josephus (37-101AD)
2. Jewish Talmud (400-700AD)
3. The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD)
1."ok did Jesus make the time to write the Bible?"
All Scripture is God-breathed". The bible - a compilation of books - was written by men inspired of God, by the Holy Spirit. If you'd bothered to read the content of the links I sent you, I would have been saved the trouble of having to speak again.
Each author, for each book (each book of the Bible were not written by 1 individual person; sone was written by 1 person alone; some wrote 2, some 4. 66 books by 40 authors.
Another fantastic thing of the Bible is that most of these authors had no relation to each other/never knew each other/were decades and centuries before each other - most realised in the old testament - and despite this, that none knew each other and some were already dead while others were just newly born, what they wrote do not contradict but approve each other even, in total direct accordance.
2."was any of his disciples alive when the book was written?"
Again, the bible is a compilation of 66 books, written by 40 authors, over a period of approximately 1,500 years (But that is not to say that it took 1,500 years to write the Bible, only that it took that long for the complete canon of Scripture to be penned as God progressively revealed His Word.)
Each author wrote at the direction of the Holy Spirit who “breathed out” Scripture to him. Peter explains this process: “Prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21; cf. 2 Timothy 3:16).
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/write-the-Bible.html
So now, tell me, do dead men write books?
Suffer your arrogance!
3."was anyone alive during that time period?"
Yes! Cite the answer in question two; PLUS many notable figures are spoken of in the Bible, such as: Augustus Caesar, the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire, Antonius Felix, Pontius Festus, Gamaliel, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa (to name a few)
If you yet hold that opinion, which is grounded on your bland ignorance, you must also be willing to denounce your history book this very moment! (the same books which your fellow atheists cite & affirm).
4a."No, the book was written years after these events happened. Never documented during those times only afterwards"
Again, refer to the answer in 2.
4b."which gives it some false statements because no one backed it up"
Pagan, non-Christian sources whow provide accounts of Jesus:
1. Thallus (52AD)
2. Tacitus (56-120AD)
3. Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
4. Phlegon (80-140AD)
5. Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
6. Suetonius (69-140AD)
7. Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
8. Celsus (175AD)
Ancient hostile Jewish sources describing Jesus
1. Josephus (37-101AD)
2. Jewish Talmud (400-700AD)
3. The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD)
Lincoln98 · 26-30, M
@Shadowstep: @Shadowstep: @Shadowstep: As even you can see, the shame of your willful ignorance & deadly arrogance being slapped to your face, you are as versed in regards the entire Bible only as much as a pot knows its maker.
You are much ignorant, & very arrogant, your sin-loving & God-hating heart leading you to destruction.
Remove the bias from your scales! Judge truth fairly! Except by Jesus, no man can be saved!
See both sides of the matter - surely you know the atheist side already, now realise the Christ side too - & judge with an impartial heart.
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."
Do not press on in your folly.
You are much ignorant, & very arrogant, your sin-loving & God-hating heart leading you to destruction.
Remove the bias from your scales! Judge truth fairly! Except by Jesus, no man can be saved!
See both sides of the matter - surely you know the atheist side already, now realise the Christ side too - & judge with an impartial heart.
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."
Do not press on in your folly.