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Coming to a state near you .

Or your state...

This is NH. The more states that do this. The more they can ask the supreme court to make it federal.


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ArishMell · 70-79, M
Strange, I thought.....

So I read the Bill itself carefully.

Is it trying to formalise what is already New Hampshire education policy? Although dated 2025 it starts
Beginning in the school year 2008-2009,


What are their reasons? Those are not stated, at least not in that document. Would the Bill have a covering paper explaining its rationale and development?

Other respondents have already read the Bill as proposing to ban all the crossed-out subjects and topics.

The Bill does not say those topics shall be removed - assuming "shall" has the same weight in law in the USA as in the UK.

Instead it proposes a very narrow, minimum curriculum - but, implies those other topics or subjects are simply not necessary; perhaps at best, taught only by individual schools' choice.

Also, the "unnecessary" topics selection shows some examples suggesting political motives.

Whether schools would still be willing or able to offer any of the "unnecessary" topics and subjects is an open question, especially if the policy becomes so widespread or Federal it starves them of funding and teachers.


Three subjects oddly omitted altogether, even deleted, are History, Geography and Domestic Science. Do American schools not teach these at all? One huge example: without History and Geography it would be very difficult to explain the USA's own development, let alone sensitive areas like the two World Wars and the Holocaust.

[In my day and school, Domestic Science was taught only to the girls, while we boys learnt Woodwork or Metalwork. In hindsight it would have been better to teach D.S. to both sexes.]


Would Personal Finance simply, and logically, become part of the general Arithmetic and Mathematics syllabus? Presumably the whole subject gives a cohesive progression from simple arithmetic and counting money in a child's very first couple of Years at school; to fairly advanced, wide-ranging Mathematics at school-leaving age. That to give the youngsters a better chance of at least modest technical or administrative employment, apprenticeships or further-education.... and to look after their money!

Removing Engineering and IT would seem very peculiar in a nation usually proud of the technical professions, and seeming to want to regain its once-major manufacturing industry. Yes, the youth of today are all conversant with "smart"-phones, social-media and the like; but that is no more IT literacy than watching TV means electronics expertise, or changing the oil in a car makes one an Engineer.


It is not for me to say Yea or Nay formally, I cannot do so both morally and legally anyway; but perhaps the Bill's authors might care for what they wish.


Taking that bill literally, as rule rather than suggestion, would offer a very boring curriculum overall for the unfortunate pupils, and severely cramp their future lives.

It would not do the future of the United States of America any good, either.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
I understand, though disagree with of course, the logic of removing the arts, world languages, civics, history, and geography. After all if you want the next generation to grow up ignorant of the outside world then shielding them from anything that involves communication, criticism, or ambiguity makes sense.

But surely removing computer science and engineering is just shooting themselves in the foot.
@ninalanyon those I found curious as well 🤔 Of course those are useful skills for resistance as well, so maybe that's why they don't want their own citizens to know about that and hope to find loyal immigrants to do those jobs for their own cause? Elon already mentioned that immigrants are essential for the tech industry after all.

It looked like infighting back then, which boosted the "they won't succeed" confidence of idle bystanders. Now it's a useful seed for what they may need later. Considering how well thought through everything is, I'm not ruling out that disagreement over immigration was part of the plan all along.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@NerdyPotato New Hampshire is the home of Dartmouth College where the programming language BASIC was created by Thomas Kurtz and John Kemeny. I've never been there but like so many people of my age around the world I owe a debt of gratitude to them, and by extension the college. BASIC was the programming language I used (at the age of fourteen in senior high school, 1969). I eventually went on to make a career of computing both in hardware and software.

It seems that Dartmouth College's motto will in future be more apposite than one might hope: Vox clamantis in deserto (A voice crying out in the wilderness)
So just remove all education? 🤨 It's very telling that government, the Holocaust and non-English languages are mentioned so specifically after basically every broad subject though. It's almost like they don't want people to understand what's going on and want to prevent people learning it from foreign sources.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@NerdyPotato

Ding, ding, ding, ding.


You have guessed correctly.
I am sick about this....just sick.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
I wonder if whomever even introduced that bill even had children.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Starcrossed I'm sure they do but they are probably privileged enough that it won't directly affect them.

The sponsor is Dan McGuire, married for 43 years apparently. I can't find any mention of children so perhaps you are right. They are however vice chair of the Education Funding committee so it would be reasonable to assume they have some knowledge of children. But here's an odd thing with regard to the removal of engineering and computer science as required subjects:

Dan is an angel investor and retired computer engineer. He graduated with a PhD in electrical engineering and computer science from MIT in 1986, worked for four years as an assistant professor of computer engineering at UC Santa Cruz, and then was a software development manager for 8x8, Inc. in Santa Clara, CA.
https://gc.nh.gov/house/members/member.aspx?pid=637
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
@ninalanyon the one that really saddens me is personal finance. Many/most of my peers have all wished we'd have recieved better instruction on that in our secondary school days to prepare us for adulthood. I just don't see that content being integrated into math class. I suppose its removal could be encouraged banks and credit companies lobbying.

History/civics/government/geography doesn't surprise me given the direction our country seems to be taking and considering what is known about project 2025.

Tech/engineering surprises me because it's counter intuitive to one upping our global adversaries.
bookerdana · M
Not much left after those deletions

 
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