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The Supreme Court of The United States of America

Should the Supreme Court be abolished or filled with a more appropriate number of Justices to better represent American Citizens?

At this point, I can only see the Supreme Court as a hindrance.

These bad SCOTUS decisions took far too much time to undo.

We can add Roe Vs Wade (2022) to this list, and others that were decided during the previous administration concerning Trans rights, LGBTQ+ etc...



https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/supreme-court/13-worst-supreme-court-decisions-of-all-time/
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13 WORST SUPREME COURT DECISIONS OF ALL TIME
13 Worst Supreme Court Decisions of All Time


By Casey C. Sullivan, Esq. on October 14, 2015 12:51 PM
Every once in awhile, the Supreme Court will decide a case that has widespread social and political impact, striking down discriminatory laws, upholding cherished institutions, protecting individual liberties. But not all Supreme Court opinions are great. Most are boring, technical, and of little import to the general public.

And some are downright terrible. For every Brown v. Board of Ed., there's a Buck v. Bell. Indeed, there are enough horrendous Supreme Court opinions to fill a book, or at least a blog post, and many of the Court's worst decisions still stand as good law. Here is our overview of the 13 most terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Supreme Court decisions.

1. Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857): Hands down the worst Supreme Court decision ever, Dred Scott held that African Americans, whether free men or slaves, could not be considered American citizens. The ruling undid the Missouri Compromise, barred laws that would free slaves, and all but guaranteed that there would be no political solution to slavery. The opinion even included a ridiculous "parade of horribles" that would appear if Scott were recognized as a citizen, unspeakable scenarios like African Americans being able to vacation, hold public meetings, and exercise their free speech rights.

2. Buck v. Bell (1927): "Eugenics? Yes, please!" the Court declared in this terrible decision which still stands as good law. In an 8-1 decision written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, the Court upheld the forced sterilization of those with intellectual disabilities "for the protection and health of the state." Justice Holmes ruled that "society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind" and ended the opinion by declaring that "three generations of imbeciles are enough."

3. Korematsu v. United States (1944): Here, the Supreme Court upheld the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, finding that the need to protect against espionage outweighed the individual rights of American citizens. In a cruel and ironic twist, this was also the first time the Court applied strict scrutiny to racial discrimination by the U.S. government, belying the idea that strict scrutiny is "strict in theory, fatal in fact."

4. Plessy v. Ferguson (1896): The Court's famous "separate but equal" ruling upheld state segregation laws. In doing so, the Court made sure that the gains of the post-Civil War reconstruction era were quickly replaced by decades of Jim Crow laws.

5. The Civil Rights Cases (1883): Another testament to the Court's failure to protect civil rights, the Civil Rights Cases struck down the Civil Rights Act of 1875. That law sought to ban racial discrimination in businesses and public accommodations. The court, in an 8-1 decision, held that the enforcement provisions of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments do not allow Congress to prevent non-governmental racial discrimination. It would take over 80 years for the Court to switch course, allowing for the government protection of civil rights in Heart of Atlanta Motel v. U.S -- this time under the Commerce Clause.

6. Bowers v. Hardwick (1986): This decision upheld a discriminatory Georgia sodomy statute that criminalized sexually active gay and lesbian relationships. As Justice Harry Blackmun noted in his dissent, the majority opinion displayed "an almost obsessive focus on homosexual activity." Bowers was overruled in 2003 by Lawrence v. Texas, though unconstitutional anti-sodomy laws still exist in several states.

7. Lochner v. New York (1905): Look, they're not all civil rights cases! In this case, the Supreme Court struck down a New York law limiting bakery work hours to 10 hours a day, finding an implicit "liberty of contract" in the Due Process Clause and giving birth to the Lochner era.

8. Hammer v. Dagenhart (1918): Here, the Court ruled that Congress could not ban child labor in intrastate commerce. Sure, Congress could legislate against gambling and other vices, but whether children were to be kept out of mines and factories was a question only states could decide.

9. Kelo v. City of New London (2005): Taking land from one private party to give it to another is a valid public use under the Takings Clause, the Supreme Court ruled in Kelo. The decision allowed New London to condemn Susette Kelo's land and transfer it to a private developer as part of a "comprehensive redevelopment plan."

10. Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Commission (1992): A developer purchased vacant lots on South Carolina beaches. The state, seeking to prevent beach erosion, passed a management act which prevented Lucas from building homes on the land. That, according to the Supreme Court, was a total destruction of all "economically viable use" and a per se taking. Not only are the case's factual conclusions implausible, but as UCLA Law professor Jonathan Zasloff notes, the opinion is full of "expressly and needlessly anti-environmental" views.

11. Bush v. Gore (2000): You don't have to be a Democrat to question the wisdom of this Supreme Court case. In a partisan split, the Supreme Court's five Republican appointees halted the recount of contested ballots in Florida, handing the election to George W. Bush. Even Justice Sandra Day O'Connor has come to regret the ruling.

12. Exxon Shipping Co. v. Baker (2008): Want to send a message to corporate wrongdoers? Don't expect the Roberts Court to make it easy. Following the Exxon Valdez oil spill, one of the greatest environmental disasters of the time, and after years and years of litigation, Exxon was finally held responsible for its negligent captain and hit with $5 billion in damages. Then the Supreme Court ruled that Exxon couldn't be subject to punitive damages in excess of compensatory ones, dropping total damages down to $500 million. Not only did Exxon evade billions in damages, the Supreme Court's ruling increased the value of its stock by $23 billion in two days. That was particularly a boon to Justice Alito, who chose to recuse himself from the case because he owned Exxon stock.

13. Citizens United v. FEC (2010): Perhaps the most hated decision from the Roberts Court, Citizens United held that political donations are speech protected by the First Amendment, opening the floodgates to unlimited personal and corporate donations to "super PACs." Though widely unpopular, the ruling isn't going away anytime soon. It would take a constitutional amendment or a new Supreme Court makeup to reverse the decision.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F Pinned Comment
A bill was introduced today or yesterday...18 year term limit.

I think that is too long still. 🤷‍♀️

windinhishair · 61-69, M
Congress can pass legislation to change the Court. They could change the number of Justices, for example, or institute age or term limits. They could mandate that the each President gets to appoint two Justices, and the older two would retire. The Court does not reflect the will of a majority of Americans at the moment, and if something isn't done, people will stop believing in the rule of law and justice for all.

Personally, I would like to see a set number of Justices appointed by each President. Two would probably work. Justices reaching a retirement age (75 would be a good number) would remain on the Court to deal with routine issues but not vote on key issues before the Court. It would take a couple of Presidential cycles to balance the Court, but it should result in Justices that reflect the people's will better than at present.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@windinhishair Enlarge the court and institute a mandatory retirement age. Justices like Alito and Uncle Clarence would be gone. Those Federalist Society punks will be around for at least thirty years unless a maximum age is set up and enforced.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Crazywaterspring That would be one way to improve the Court.
tj78610 · 51-55, M
Heres my problem - there should be a term/age limit for these jobs. There needs to be non-random turnover. Unfortunately, these positions have outweighted value depending on how many come open in any presidency. Sadly too, they are uber political.

The problem with this Roe v Wade issue is, technically laws like that belong in the States. Technically that is probably the case, but yet its 50 year settled law. Leave it alone! Stupid decision to change it, because it's going backwards, and proper legality or not, its entirely politically motivated.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@tj78610 A bill was introduced today or yesterday...18 year term limit.

I think that is too long still. 🤷‍♀️
tj78610 · 51-55, M
@JaggedLittlePill I agree. Im good with up to 12.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
The supreme court is simply a group of flawed individuals that are judging law in light of the times and their personal beliefs about what the constitution says.

their purpose is to keep the other two branches at bay .

the supreme court has been increased in numbers before (roosevelt did it the last time) and it doesn't appear that it improved things - but it did allow roosevelt to get his political agenda passed - when it was previously struck down.

I think the best you can hope for is that all three branches continue their power struggles so that nobody achieves too much power.

they say the most efficient form of government is a dictator after all.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@Pretzel


I absolutely agree with this :

The supreme court is simply a group of flawed individuals that are judging law in light of the times and their personal beliefs about what the constitution says.


This ...is true. It is their purpose...but do they serve that purpose when they are basing their decisions on their interpretation rather than the intention of those who created the laws...?

their purpose is to keep the other two branches at bay.

It seems rather than interpret what the intention of Constitutional law is and ruling as they are meant to is not what is happening, but rather they are ruling based on the political party they are affiliated with.

Rather than keep the branches at bay..they are keeping one political party at bay. That political party represents the majority of Americans in general terms. They keep the wishes, desires and rights of the American citizens at bay. Not the branches of government.

In my mind, this means the entire premise is flawed because we depend on those flawed humans to do the right thing. The lawful thing by the oath they took.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@JaggedLittlePill well as far as their party affilation - I think it's a "chicken or the egg " thing

they are the member of a party because it is closer to their set of beliefs to start with - I think.

so they will more closely align a decison based on their belief and the party thing is more or less a given?

And they way the process works if it is a really important issue (important to enough voters) then they will vote in people that will get the legislation passed - and override a veto if necessary.

and get a constitutional amendment changed when they can. THAT doesn't happen often but it has in some very important issues.
OldBrit · 61-69, M
Question... In the USA is the selection solely made by the POTUS?

In UK currently there is a selection board whose membership is set by rules, these rules then extend to who they must consult with to consider a recommendation. Once they make a recommendation to the Prime Minister they can't change or overrule that and must then pass the name to the King who actually appoints them.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@OldBrit I have admittedly not been up to par on what exactly is going on in your neck of the woods, but I do know it isn't going all that great.
tj78610 · 51-55, M
@JaggedLittlePill Specifically, the nominations are approved by the Senate. Why does this matter? The Senate has 2 members from each State (and no representation for those who live IN Washington DC). This means that smaller states have much more impact on federal judges, because the smallest State by population has the same number of Senators as the largest.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@tj78610 Yes...and it all feels like a huge cluster fuck.
EvilEmma · F
any job for life is a bad idea in a democracy... hell they should limit senators to two legislatures
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
@EvilEmma You bring up a good point that I failed to...I think this is definitely an option.
@EvilEmma I would only agree to that if corporate lobbying was outlawed and congressional research staff was increased.
tj78610 · 51-55, M
@EvilEmma 💯 agree
There will always be some ultimate authority, in any legal system ... but the structure of the SCOTUS clearly needs to change.

Though stupid decisions happen at every level, in any kind of authority.
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
**Why is this labeled "Mildly Adult*???

Someone explain this to me like I am 5...
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@JaggedLittlePill it's like the rides at the fair that require a minimum height.

Keeps the childlike answers weeded out :)

 
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