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@Melpomene [c=#359E00]they are childs of Chronus and Rhea, so basicly it's an act of incest[/c]

[c=#359E00]Of course they are not real, but the people that made the myth we're real, i mean.. they made a story about incest so i guess incest is a common thing back then[/c]

[c=#359E00]of course not all ancient society saw women as lower gender but i want to point the dark side[/c]

@YukikoAmagi Well yes but actually no. It's a myth, you can't take it literally so it's more like Pinnochio and Gepetto because they are created from one another and if you look at their family tree...well, they're all related. Same goes for Egyptian, Norse...mythology. For example, it's kinda like saying that two humans dating is incest because we all come from Adam and Eve.
On the other hand, that's how ancient humans explained things and world creation and then passed it onto the next generations.
Yes, incest is a common thing (and still kinda is, mostly in royal families) but it wasn't necessarily approved, like when Oedipus finds out he married his mother and they have 4 children, his mother hangs herself and he pierces his eyes to show how he was blind. And then we have a tragedy of Antigone, one of their four children, that is supposed to marry her first cousin.

@Melpomene [c=#359E00]i'm not literally take the mouth seriously. I just point out the ancient people who made the myth[/c]

[c=#359E00]the analogy is : look at nowadays hip hop music, there's lot of cursing with half naked woman on the music clip. Why they make music and music clip like that? Because this is what happened in the country where the music produced. Same like ancient people, why they create myth full of incest and rape? Because i think maybe incest and rape was raging back then. I admit i don't do any historical research on this post because this post is about my assumption based on my analysis reading the myth, not full historical like i did on other post (example : post about Jani Beg)[/c]

[c=#359E00]about myth from other culture, i must read the story first, are they related or not, so i can't say much[/c]

[c=#359E00]then i don't know for sure which one is older the myth of those Gods or story of Oedipus and Antigone. Because time can change morals and norm in society[/c]

@YukikoAmagi Yes but I still think you're taking them seriously. What if, in the time when the myth was made, women had no voice and "magically" ended up pregnant? Fun time with a guy next door (insert dishonour gif) or a mighty god that is prone to rape? Or how else would they explain Danae (Perseus' mother) getting pregnant while she's all locked up in a tower or a chamber if not by a golden rain?

It might have been raging back then but do you think we're different nowadays? We know that's wrong and victims are usually ashamed to admit (comparison: Hera and Zeus).

If you are willing to read about other myths, I suggest Egyptian culture since they are much closer, their dynasties are well known to be prone to incest..one might say they wanted to keep it in the family. 😏 Though when I wrote "they are all related" I didn't mean on related myths (though there probably are similar myths in different cultures I admit that I don't know enough about them to discuss), I meant on deities in Greek mythology (as far as I know and as logic tells me to).

You're right. The oldest we have right now about myths of the origin of Greek Gods would be Theogony by Hesiod (around 8th century B.C) and the trilogy about Oedipus and his children is by Sophocles (5th century). However, there's still a What kind of incest is ok? in Oedipus-Antigone case since they are father/halfbrother-daughter/halfsister and in his case we can see it's wrong (though he was searching for a person who killed his father-himself so that might also be a reason of their agony) while in her case (she's supposed to marry son of her uncle from mum's side, so it is a close blood-relation).

@Melpomene [c=#359E00]well this is my perspective because i believe that we can get somekind of picture of a society by studying their cultural product, in this case the cultural product is myth. I don't know other method to study about ancient civilization than that one[/c]

[c=#359E00]i haven't read Egypt myth that much, only some of them. Soon or later i'll start it[/c]

[c=#359E00]it seems like you're quite knowledgeable about ancient Greek history, is that your specialty?[/c]

@YukikoAmagi Fair enough, sorry if I'm being pushy with my theories, I'm just saying what I know and I believe the best way to get a better picture is comparative methods.
Ancient Greek history? Only what I need. This classifies more like Greek mythology because history is only what we're sure or can suppose something happened, and we need proof. For example, we're (almost) sure Homer is describing a real event in Iliad (in the language and mindset of archaic times) and that is historical proof (as well as hill and gold that was found in the place he described) but we can't check if there were any Gods walking down on Earth or raping women, only traces of beliefs and beautiful temples.
It depends what you compare it with; I believe there's plenty of knowledge and skills I need to master before I could say it's my speciality.

@Melpomene [c=#359E00]it's okay, it's good to talk with someone who have different opinion all the time, it's get boring[/c]

[c=#359E00]well yes i mean myth, it's different with history[/c]