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@Qwerty14 and they all got it from pre-Christian concepts. So why even dance with paganism?

@Qwerty14 Lmao, due you need to seriously learn some history. Easter goes as far back as the Assyrian empire in the worship of Ishtar, literally thousands of years before Christianity even existed. Even top theologists and Christian pastors admit to these things. In fact Not long ago i remember a local pastor being taught this by one of the top pastors from the Calvary church, and was impressed he was actually willing to admit that.

Even the word Easter stems from the word estria, or Eostre depending how you pronounce it. All of which was per-christian. In fact probably the most Christian holiday we have today would be halloween. Which was part of All hallows eve. Which was the cerebration of the comming All saints day, or all hallows day. Mostly in western Christianity.

@HorrorshowHijabi There is no evidence to suggest that these traditions were created out of paganism. Have you ever seen a legitimate source claim that? Take Easter... When exactly were the Greeks meant to have stolen eggs from Anglo-Saxon druids? Is it not easier to accept that maybe everyone had eggs and Greeks were like "let's celebrate with these eggs we have".

People are so hung up on their biases that they'd rather believe impossible stories than the obvious. Simple answer is usually the right one.

@Kazuya69 Oh it's the Ishtar theory. Not going with the Eostre one then? They both can't be right so which one should I believe? Even atheists can't all agree which pagan religion the Christians may have taken it from. The sad thing is no o e who claims Eostre or Ishtar has a fucking clue. They just think the goddess has a similar sounding name to Easter. But Christians don't call it Easter, they call it Pascha, meaning Passover. Jews celebrating Passover... Crazy I know lol

@Qwerty14 Why can't all three be right?

Is it so hard to believe that different cultures independently celebrated the seasons?

There is definite evidence that Roman culture had a habit of borrowing and incorporating gods into their own belief system, at some point they did this with Christianity too (hence Christianity and mainly Catholicism still being based in Rome), and it's just possible that other things they borrowed ended up in a 'spiritual melange'

So the myths of Ishtar, Eostre and the belief in Passover got blended together as Christianity developed.

That said, Christianity definitely stole the idea for Noah's Ark 😋

@Qwerty14 It wasn't Greeks, It was Assaryian and even Babylonian, the anglo-saxans combine it with Pascha which was pass over by the greeks. It's recorded historically that it existed long before crucifixion was even a thing. It was to celebrate fertility and comming of spring, worshiping goddess who's symbols of fertility were the rabbit and the egg. Not saying everything about it was pre-christ, but much of it was.

@Quizzical Well the notion that they copied a pagan religion they knew nothing about is ridiculous enough without saying they actually copied from two. Is it actually so impossible that.you think humans couldn't come up with similar ideas. Most religions do it all the time but for some reason Christianity can't have possibly done it... Bias all round.

Also Christianity didn't steal the idea of Noah's Ark. That's a Canaanite myth. They probably got it from the Greeks who they traded with a lot. That's why the Greeks have a very similar myth involving Zeus

@Qwerty14 It's Sumerian actually, and predates EVERYTHING else we as a species have written. So unless there have been multiple floods it's GOT to be plagiarised from SOMEONE🤷‍♂️

Re: Easter, given the common factor of the Roman Empire across many areas of the world I think that just makes more sense. Christianity is actually very new to the religious board game, a mere couple of thousand years old.

Thinking about it though, it's all arse anyway, none of it is real, lol 😂

@Quizzical The idea that the story wasn't based on an actual event is silly. It's far more likely the Greeks experienced a flood and made a myth based on it.

@Kazuya69 [quote]In fact probably the most Christian holiday we have today would be halloween. [/quote]
Hallowe'en comes from the Pagan festival of Samhain, the beginning of winter.

@Sharon You're part right. The act of trick or treating is from Samhain but Halloween existed separately from it. In fact outside of America people don't actually do the whole trick or treat thing

@Qwerty14 Samhain pre-dates christianity and is still celebrated as such, along with the other 7 major Sabbats.

@Sharon If you read the rest of what I wrote I was talking more about all hallows eve, but yes I know well of Samhain and all of the sabbaths.

@Sharon What's your point? Just because a tradition is older doesn't mean the two are related. One is about dressing up and begging for food and burning lights for fairies. The other is about honouring the saints and the souls of people you love. You wanna really wanna argue the two are the same?

@Qwerty14 I'm sorry, I know you love to argue for the sake of it, but you're pissing into the wind with the flood story 😂

It's not JUST the flood, it's the Ark, it's the animals, its the wise faithful man and a few members of his family being chosen by a god to survive.

Noah's Ark is a direct copy of the Atra-Hasis story.

@Qwerty14 We go trick or treating in the UK

@Quizzical You guys wanna copy the yanks that badly? None of your colonies bother. Sorry former colonies lol

@Qwerty14 yanks? lol so are you a confederate citizen and not a US one?

@Qwerty14 Er... Canada do it too, as do Australia.

Have you forgotten how to research man! lmao 😋

@Kazuya69 What are you on mate lol

@Kazuya69 [quote]If you read the rest of what I wrote I was talking more about all hallows eve,[/quote]
I know, I was just pointing out that even that is an attempt to hijack a Pagan celebration for the benefit of others.

@Quizzical Lol Aussie don't really do it. They do it as much as New Zealand which is fuck all. It's mainly done now because kids see yanks doing it on TV lol

@Qwerty14 Yanks is generally only a term used by people in the south of the US who still believe dearly in the Confederacy. Originally it was used before that when talking about people from New Englands, but was popularized as a derogatory term for a United States Citizen by the confederate.

@Qwerty14 Oh, and trick or treating isn't American either...

[quote]While some identify precursors to trick-or-treating in ancient Celtic customs, modern trick-or-treating is thought to be a custom borrowed from guising or mumming in England, Scotland, and Ireland[/quote]

So THAT's why it DID spread to the colonies 😂

It's either an extension of Celtic custom, or an extension of British tradition.

@Quizzical I said it was a Gaelic thing. Please read my comments carefully