Now this is what I call intelligent conversation! No wrath, not acrid or snotty; just a question posed and information exchanged and weighed out. I derive from both sides that, there is a real necessity to controlling the numbers on the planet. The manner in which it can be done is the real brass ring. Cycles of "economic starvation" and "ecological motivated famine" is what we try to get a grip on. The same cycle as a "boom then bust" economy. So, to get the worlds population to see that the planet is not "infinite" and "we are not infinitely adaptable" is the ultimate challenge. I hope that Thomas Malthus is not correct that, "Misery" is the only effective check on population. Thank you for the commentary. It was instructive.