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Tumbleweed · F
Preach sister!! TRUTH
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Tumbleweed · F
@OogieBoogie hmmmm... I know a 100% Navajo man & they're offended by being called Indians...
OogieBoogie · F
@Tumbleweed i think we should ask what they want to be called instead of making up names.
You know, some umbrella term that they feel represents them better.
You know, some umbrella term that they feel represents them better.
Tumbleweed · F
@OogieBoogie Exactly!
KatyO83 · 41-45, F
Aren't we all immigrants everywhere other than Africa?
SomeMichGuy · M
And cheaper.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
I'm sorry I'm not against immigration but I am totally against your argument.
The USA may have been built on immigration but it was not built on thousands upon thousands of people freely walking across the border without getting permission. That is different, way different.
Actually there's no country in the world that accepts this and this unchecked is detrimental to the citizens of any country that it occurs in.
Also I have hardcore evidence that "immigrants do the jobs that Americans won't do" is false. It's a tiny bit true but mostly untrue.
Immigrants especially undocumented lower the acceptable wage and working conditions because they tend to take any job so that people who may have taken the job before at better pay don't want the job.
The USA may have been built on immigration but it was not built on thousands upon thousands of people freely walking across the border without getting permission. That is different, way different.
Actually there's no country in the world that accepts this and this unchecked is detrimental to the citizens of any country that it occurs in.
Also I have hardcore evidence that "immigrants do the jobs that Americans won't do" is false. It's a tiny bit true but mostly untrue.
Immigrants especially undocumented lower the acceptable wage and working conditions because they tend to take any job so that people who may have taken the job before at better pay don't want the job.
Beautyinbroken · 36-40, F
@REMsleep 🤦♀
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Northwest
Look I just picked a random gov study while I am driving but I have worked in many industries and I know first hand that illegal immigration depresses wages and does supplant some of the local working population.
I have had friends and family impacted by this phenomenon also.
Ia it hard to believe that this happens?
Look I just picked a random gov study while I am driving but I have worked in many industries and I know first hand that illegal immigration depresses wages and does supplant some of the local working population.
I have had friends and family impacted by this phenomenon also.
Ia it hard to believe that this happens?
Northwest · M
@REMsleep Yes, it's hard to believe that this happens, because a random study that's wayyyy outdated is not actual data.
I live in a state that's heavily dependent on illegal immigrant labor, and there is zero data from my state to indicate that illegal immigrants caused a decline in local wages.
25% of our construction industry depends on illegal immigrant labor, and not because contractors want to pay less, but because they can't find people.
There are a half dozen houses on my dog walk route along the lake. All of them are blasting Spanish music on their portable loudspeakers and not one person speaks English. I know how much they charge and it isn't cut rates.
I live in a state that's heavily dependent on illegal immigrant labor, and there is zero data from my state to indicate that illegal immigrants caused a decline in local wages.
25% of our construction industry depends on illegal immigrant labor, and not because contractors want to pay less, but because they can't find people.
There are a half dozen houses on my dog walk route along the lake. All of them are blasting Spanish music on their portable loudspeakers and not one person speaks English. I know how much they charge and it isn't cut rates.
Northwest · M
We need to overhaul our immigration system. It is not human to look the other way, when the illegal immigrants are getting clearly abused, through the jobs they end up having to get in the US.
In the current climate, no one is going to address that. Not when people actually believe Trump and Vance's claims that illegal immigrants' competing with Americans for houses, is the real reason we're having a housing crisis.
In the current climate, no one is going to address that. Not when people actually believe Trump and Vance's claims that illegal immigrants' competing with Americans for houses, is the real reason we're having a housing crisis.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
After Brexit, it was harder for east Europeans to get work visas and they did most of the fruit picking.
Obviously Brexit solved this problem because there was a great surge of Conservative Daily Mail readers ready to pick fruit. The wages went up and everyone was happy...
Oh wait, that didn't happen! What happened was that nobody picked the fruit, farmers took a hit, prices went up and there were supply shortages.
Obviously Brexit solved this problem because there was a great surge of Conservative Daily Mail readers ready to pick fruit. The wages went up and everyone was happy...
Oh wait, that didn't happen! What happened was that nobody picked the fruit, farmers took a hit, prices went up and there were supply shortages.
KatyO83 · 41-45, F
@Burnley123 I live in Kent so much fruit is left unpicked now. Still we can build on the old orchards.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
Naturally born Americans don't reproduce enough to keep the economy pumping. We need immigration.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@JonLosAngeles66 There is also the cultural aspect that Americans look down on work and workers they see as beneath them.
pdockal · 56-60, M
My ancestors came LEGALLY and received NO handouts
OogieBoogie · F
@pdockal yeah, but immigration used to be way easier.
Once upon a time you just boarded a ship and signed a form when you got there.
I had an English friend who married an american, and it took them YEARS to become a citizen.
All of his skills and qualifications were void and not accepted. It cost him hundreds of dollars to do the citizenship test everytime....even if he falied.
And even when he finally became a citizen - he only qualified for a base level job.... which was insulting to his years of professional experience and learning .
Where do you get money to become a citizen and pay for a roof and food while you are trying to jump through all the legal hoops of becoming a citizen these days?
Even if you are well educated, are from a first world country - its a nightmare.
And you need financial support of someone already a citizen to help you.
Once upon a time you just boarded a ship and signed a form when you got there.
I had an English friend who married an american, and it took them YEARS to become a citizen.
All of his skills and qualifications were void and not accepted. It cost him hundreds of dollars to do the citizenship test everytime....even if he falied.
And even when he finally became a citizen - he only qualified for a base level job.... which was insulting to his years of professional experience and learning .
Where do you get money to become a citizen and pay for a roof and food while you are trying to jump through all the legal hoops of becoming a citizen these days?
Even if you are well educated, are from a first world country - its a nightmare.
And you need financial support of someone already a citizen to help you.
pdockal · 56-60, M
Miram · 31-35, F
The reason I can steal jobs is because I am more qualified and multi-talented. Jesus loves me more.
Just accept you muricans can't keep up with my kind. I got them special genes.
Just accept you muricans can't keep up with my kind. I got them special genes.
OogieBoogie · F
Everyone is hereditarily a refugee from Somewhere.
No one ....if you go back far enough, is from where they live.
It's people of the 'haves' complaining about the 'have nots" stealing what they have already retired from and dont want anymore.
Petty really.
No one ....if you go back far enough, is from where they live.
It's people of the 'haves' complaining about the 'have nots" stealing what they have already retired from and dont want anymore.
Petty really.
Bang5luts · M
Tell the people/person who is complaining to go apply for that immigrant worker's job before we kick them out of the country
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