No , I don’t believe there was a man thousands of years ago running around in Jerusalem who was almighty God.

@BittersweetPotato
Yes “can “ make sense yes if it’s a miracle and it was a creature out of this world as the religion says.
But not that the exalted perfect almighty God once was a man running around in Jerusalem and at same time he is no God of confusion.
If the concept of God is easy as Christians claim then
I imagine myself nursing Mary in the stables and baby Jesus comes out covered in blood and fragile in my arms
Would the thought that I’m holding my almighty God cross my mind? No.
Then it is not an easy concept or one that make sense

At least not to me

@Moon3624 If you believe that someone can go to the sky riding a mule, I don't see why you are having difficulty believing that god was once a man in Jerusalem, not that this is "precisely" what Christians believe.

Do you think it is very illogical because it is "almighty" god, so how could he be in a man's form?

Then let me ask you, doesn't it feel illogical to you that the great almighty god, would lower his standards, and call the prophet's enemies names in the holy book? I mean I would expect him to have more control over his temper..

I am personally working on my temper to not lower my standards to those surrounding me, but I am only human!

@BittersweetPotato

Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of Angels
Similarly science cannot prove or disprove that God sent that special creature to Mohammed.
How can you deny that such creature cannot take a man up the sky when you don’t even have it ?

And yes I’d believe that story and that miracle
Rather than my God or son of God
once being a human running around on earth who slept and ate and so on .
Why are you upset simply because i refuse to believe in such belief ?

“
Then let me ask you, doesn't it feel illogical to you that the great almighty god, would lower his standards, and call the prophet's enemies names in the holy book? I mean I would expect him to have more control over his temper.. “

In the Bible God cursed many people.
Isn’t that temper ?
God’s punishment and fair judgment and tempter are two different things 💆‍♀️

Ibrahim - Verse 8
{
And Moses said, "If you should disbelieve, you and whoever is on the earth entirely - indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy."
}

@Moon3624 Actually, when YOU claim that angels exist and all those heavenly creatures like the white mule with wings, the burden then falls on YOU to prove their existence. If I say angels don't exist, there is no such thing as proving scientifically that something does NOT exist.

I am not sure why you are turning the argument on me asking about the bible. Whether god cursed in the bible or not, is irrelevant to you believing in Quranic verses.

You keep saying things like how come an almighty god would be in the form a man eating and sleeping etc. I asked you, then how is it possible that the almighty god would call the people he created himself names in the holy book, just because they were enemies of Mohamed. Are you okay with that? Do you think it is logical that god would lower his standards that much and call humans names, when he is the one who created them?

You never answered that, you are just saying well the bible cursed TOO. I don't see how is that helping your argument. The Quran, as per your beliefs, is supposed to be the last book sent from God to humanity. The fact that it is okay to have curses there, just because the bible had them too, doesn't seem like a good argument. I thought it was supposed to be better than the bible!

@BittersweetPotato

“Actually, when YOU claim that angels exist and all those heavenly creatures like the white mule with wings, the burden then falls on YOU to prove their existence
“
I don’t need to prove it bc last time I checked , I wasn’t preaching Islam to you.
But here u r shouting words to me.
I thought you were trying to control ur tempter?

Have a good day ma’am 🌿💆‍♀️

@Moon3624 I never said that you need to prove it. I was just responding to your argument about science not being able to prove or disapprove angels.

I was not really shouting, I just wanted to make it clear that it was YOU who said something existed, and therefore, it was YOU who should be able to back it up scientifically, and not the other way round. But even if I were shouting, well I am only human, I am work in progress and STILL working on my temper issues. The real problem comes when you are an almighty god who can't control their temper, then it becomes awkward and weird O.o

@BittersweetPotato
Again I didn’t say “this exists or that doesn’t exist “
I said science cannot prove or disprove it.

So if I believe in a religion “overall “
And there is a matter about it that science cannot disprove or prove
Why discard my beliefs ?

-Good job sweetie on u working on ur anger issues we all got something we need to improve -

And again if you believe God has “anger issues “
then be it
I don’t care
I’m not here preaching my beliefs lmao

@Moon3624 When science can't prove something, it means it doesn't exist until proven otherwise, as simple as that 😅

It really depends on you, if you want to fill your head with fairytales that cannot be proven or not. That was a side point really, as a response to an argument that you brought up. My advice to you is to never ever bring up science in your arguments FOR religion, because it will never be on your side!

On the other hand, again, don't turn the argument back on me. It is not me who believes that god has anger issues, because I do not believe in the Quran to begin with. It is actually you who believe in this book.

You mentioned that you think it is very illogical that god would act like a human, eat and sleep.. well I am telling you take another look at the Quran, because it is filled with VERY HUMAN emotions that I find it very weird to be coming from an almighty god. I mean, even I, the poor human, don't call people names when I get angry at them 😅

@BittersweetPotato
Again,
Luqman - Verse 12

“Be grateful to Allah, for whoever is grateful, it is only for their own good. And whoever is ungrateful, then surely Allah is Self-Sufficient, Praiseworthy.”


Have a good day~~

@Moon3624 Praiseworthy? Well I am not sure about that, I mean he did call himself the best deceiver of all! 🤦‍♀️

وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ لِيُثْبِتُوكَ أَوْ يَقْتُلُوكَ أَوْ يُخْرِجُوكَ ۚ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ ٱللَّهُ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ خَيْرُ ٱلْمَـٰكِرِينَ

And [remember, O Muḥammad], when those disbelievers schemed against you to imprison you or kill you or evict you. And they deceive and Allah deceives, but Allah is the best of deceivers.

- Al Anfal 30 (I mean, i can quote too!)

@BittersweetPotato lol why are you so desperate to have a religious debate with me ? I don’t get it.
And
Actually the word
يمكر
Has many Meanings like
“Planner “
And that what has been used in translations like sahih international and mustafa khattab and many others
+
At-Tawbah - Verse 70
{. Allah would have never wronged them, but it was they who wronged themselves.}

@Moon3624 I am not desperate! If you don't want me to respond back, then don't comment. But if you write something that I disagree with, I am going to respond back!

If you do understand Arabic well, then you are being dishonest with me here.

The translation of the word يمكر in English is to deceive, or to con. The Arabic word for planning is يخطط and it really has nothing to do with يمكر.

If you copy the word يمكر into google translate, the FIRST option that appears is deceive. The word planning does not come up AT ALL as one of the options, because it can NEVER be used to mean يمكر in Arabic. I am yet to see ANYONE using that word to mean planning!


The fact that translators felt the need to sugarcoat the wording of the Quran in English, can only mean that there is something to hide.. otherwise, they would have translated it word for word.

@BittersweetPotato
I'm an Arabic native speaker
And if someone is going to plan trying to deceive or harm others and plot and scheme
Then truly God is best of planners and best of those who scheme
But it’s not that of human deception
But that which protects his servants and delivers the punishment to those who deserve when they expect it the least
With the interpretation and proof of all tafsir scholars

@Moon3624 I am a native Arabic speaker too, and so you know as well as I know that يمكر definitely means to deceive and not to plan, so stop going around it and be honest.. I mean "someone is going to plan trying to deceive or harm others" .. Really? Planning to deceive others? Isn't this deceiving, only you just added the word planning to it? 😅 If you are planning to deceive someone then you are being a deceiver, so what exactly are you trying to say here 🤷‍♀️ The fact that you are not welling to be frank about the real appropriate translation of the Arabic word used here, only says that you know deep down that it is not appropriate to have such description of God in the Quran, or else, you would have said it as is.

@BittersweetPotato did you not just read what I wrote?

Then truly God is best of planners and best of those who scheme
But it’s not that of human deception
But that which protects his servants and delivers the punishment to those who deserve it when they expect it the least
With the interpretation and proof of all tafsir scholars

I have nothing more to add or discuss
You have your beliefs and I have mine 💆‍♀️💗

@Moon3624 I literally quoted you and then you respond back saying that I did not read what you wrote. Really? lol. Why don't you respond to whatI actually had to say about your earlier comment, instead of repeating yourself?

@Moon3624 Those bolded phrases are YOUR OWN explanation, they do not change the fact that the word deceiver was used to describe god... if you are gonna come and say but oh no, it is not the human deception, then I will have to ask you how do you know? I can only see the word deceiver, period.

@BittersweetPotato
مافهمت ليه مصره تناقشيني في موضوع انا مابي اناقشه معك ؟
ثم نعم غضب الله وسخط الله على الذين اجرموا وعقابهم بما كسبت ايديهم سواء في الدنيا او الآخرة
امر عقلاني واتقبله
عكس المعتقد الالهي المسيحي الذي لا اتقبله
بالفطرة

اذا انتِ تجدين ان كل من الدينين غير منطقي فهذا قرارك
ولي قراري
ولي رأيي

@Moon3624 No idea why you turned the discussion to Arabic. So that others won't understand, or to test whether I am really an Arabic speaker? lol.

If you don't want to discuss religion with me, then don't post on here and don't respond back. As simple as that! But if you are going to post on. SW, then expect people to comment, and believe it or not, we don't have to agree with you. Don't post something, comment back over and over again, then complain why I am responding back 🤷‍♀️

@BittersweetPotato
كلمة مكر
خاصة
مكر الله وسوء فهم الايات
مشروح على اليوتيوب
وشرحه العلماء
بكل بساطة تقدرين تبحثين وتقرئين
مايحتاج شخص بسيط مثلي ان يرد عليك

اذا حابة اشارك معك هالفيديوهات مو مشكلة

@BittersweetPotato no but we are both Arabic speakers so why don’t we converse in our mother tongue ?
Plus I express myself better in Arabic

I don’t give two shits about what people think unlike you lol

اعوذ بالله من سوء الظن

@Moon3624 I do not need religious scholars to tell me what the word mean. As I explained very clearly many times now, the meaning of this word is to deceive, and it is never ever used to mean planning. No scholar will convince me to use it as such, ... and I challenge you to go ahead and call yourself that as a way to mean that you are a planner, and do come back and let me know how people responded and whether they really understood it as such 😅

@Moon3624 Because we are on a website whereby the majority do not understand Arabic, so our discussion should be in English in order for everyone to understand. What is the point of posting on here, if we are going to post in a language no one understands? If you want to do that, you may as well join an Arabic forum.

@BittersweetPotato with all due respect you don’t get to tell me in what language I choose to speak or where to go.
Last time I checked , there is no such rule and I had many convos and debates in Arabic with Arabic speakers on here.

The difference between you and I
Is that u aren’t interested in our personal convo Nor what we learn from it.
But what other ppl who will read it think.
You trying to “expose me”
If that is your goal ? then that is truly sad.

Have a good day ma’am and no matter what you say I’m not going to reply anymore.

اؤمن بانك شخص محترم و طيب قلبا وقالبا
وانك فقط خانتك العبرة

@Moon3624 Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I never told you in what language to post, I only explained why posts especially similar discussions should be in English, and if my posts were in Arabic, I would have had zero friends on here, simply because they won't understand a damn word, so what is the point?

No need to be so paranoid, and use phrases like "expose you" why are you making this personal? I was merely discussing a post here, and I have no idea. who you are. If you can't take people challenging what you are saying about religion then I suggest you avoid posting about it, because once you did, expect others to comment with their opinions.