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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
The Americans sure want one they already started one In Ukraine and now want one with China. Stupid Americans.
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Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 with respect I disagree
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony I don't care that you ignore facts. They remain facts whether you like it or not . Why the push to get Ukraine into NAYI. Why the desire to prevent Taiwan from rejoining China?
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 you haven't stated one fact yet
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony you haven't been following reality
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 oh yes I have. Saying USA is trying to push Ukraine into NATO is false. And whatever you say for Taiwan is also not true. Taiwan want their own independence.
So state a fact for me please?
So state a fact for me please?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony so what great advantage is it to Ukraine to be part of NATO. Taiwan is likely to elect a pro China party after the next election if the polls are right.
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 you are the one who said that USA are pushing Ukraine to join NATO? What has that got to do with putin ?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony NATO has been trying to destroy Russia for decades. Do a bit of research. You keep making yourself look silly. NATO has been trying to cut Russia off from the black Sea by bring all the countries who border the Black Sea into NATO.
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 stop with you non sense. Nato was set up to defend Nato countries. The Warsaw pact which then existed, then was set up as a defence against Nato. Warsaw pack no longer exists and Nato has been non belligerent since.SO stop with all your BS please. It insults my intelligence.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony it doesn't matter what it was set up to do. Iit abandoned that purpose many years ago. Remember Kosovo? How about Libya?
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 USA doesn't make the Rules for Nato, or other Nato countries. It's a defence against Russia and it never tried to destroy Russia EVER. Get your facts right
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony yeah it pretty much does. It pays for most of the material so it calls the shots. He who pays the piper calls the tune the only real question is if NATO will survive the American debacle in Ukraine. They have made a royal mess of the place and really weakened their alliances
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 Stop with your Non-sense . Don't you think GB and France and the many other countries play a part in NATO? hahah. You think USA are the only ones with money and power? Time for you to wake up to the Strength of NATO. Thats why there are so many of them
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony UK and US love a good fight. The rest of NATO is about to call it quits. What ha Europe gained from this stupid US war? Germany is being dei-nustrialized. France is having riots in the streets.
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 get real. I live in France and we consider peace as the cornerstone of our existence. The next war won't be fought by troops on the ground. It will be fought with Nukes in the air. A black Sky and no food or water anywhere. What's to like about that?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony so again.. what great gain did Ukraine hope to gain? What about NATO is so great that it was worth using all the wealth producing centers and 1/2 the population in a vain attempt to join?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony if you believe in peace why are you tanks being destroyed in Ukraine?
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 Ukraine wants peace , independence from Russia and all their land back including the Crimea. What other BS are you feeding me?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony so you have no reason since Russia was not a threat to Ukraine poor to 2014 when the US took over the Ukrainian government.
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 what none sense are you spurting?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony you are ware of the fact that the US removed the duly elected president of Ukraine and installed puppet? Many Ukrainians I know said that was the start of the war and wished that Putin had acted sooner to stop Ukrainians from killing Ukrainians.
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 that's pure false news
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony tell that my Ukrainian friend who is sitting beside driving my truck. He and his entire family moved to Canada after they fled Ukraine.
Harmony · 31-35
@hippyjoe1955 maybe he can tell you the truth then.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Harmony hebl is a very honest person. I rely on him and other Ukrainian refugees that.i have become acquainted. Strange how all their stories are similar to what I said and they completely debunk the story you tell. So whom shall I believe people who actually fled the conflict in Ukraine or some living in France?
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