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The Shire Folk

I've just finished listening to a 3 part The Economist podcast on conservative American views of modern Britain which appear to be disproportionately influenced by Elon Musk's media empire. The title of the series - The Shire Folk - references Musk's strange conviction that the "real Britain" resembles The Shire of J R R Tolkein's fictional Middle Earth in which the childlike Hobbits (read Brits) require protection from dark forces by "strong men" such as Rupert Lowe and "Tommy Robinson". Musk himself is apparently a ketamine-fuelled Gandalf benificently handing out millions to his chosen Hobbits.

Got me thinking about how different things may have turned out if the world's richest man had cultural reference points slightly more sophisticated than those of an average 15 year old adolescent? What if he were similarly enthused by the even richer literary depictions of Dickens, Shakespeare and Chaucer? Certainly doesn't harm to read more widely.

Accompanying the series was a 90 minute interview with Musk by the editor of The Economist. Noteable mainly for Musk's clear discomfort at having to explain and justify his foundational opinions, it also contains a hilarious section in which he claims to know more about contemporary Britain despite not having set foot there since 2018 (there would be serious questions raised about his visa eligibility given his active promotion of violent racial disorder on X) than the journalist who has spent a 40 year career living in and reporting on the country. Also he did not seem able to explain why a foreign billionaire should be allowed to influence another country's democracy so fundamentally simply on a personal whim.

I used to find Musk intrigueingly enigmatic. Now he just seems depressingly banal and, to be honest, not particularly intelligent.
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ninalanyon · 70-79, T
Do US citizens need a visa to visit the UK?

Anyway Musk had a couple of great ideas and the money and willingness to risk it to make them happen.

But now that they are essentially self sustaining he has nothing substantial to occupy himself with.

I suspect that most of us never have more than one or two great ideas and opportunities in our lives and that Musk is no different so now he has only third rate and second hand ideas to latch onto to give his life meaning.
SunshineGirl · 41-45, F
@ninalanyon True, not for a short visit, but the Home Secretary could (and in my opinion should) bar him on national security grounds.

His one great idea that continues to interest me is that AI will create such a vast surplus of goods and services that currencies will become worthless and no one will ever need work again. But he has not really progressed that idea since I first heard him voice it.
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
@SunshineGirl
AI will create such a vast surplus of goods and services that currencies will become worthless and no one will ever need work again.
That's one of the third rate second hand ideas in my opinion. Here are some of my, no doubt also third rate, ideas on the subject:

In 1930, Keynes opined that by 2030, people would work only 15 hours per week.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ecca.12439

Almost a century has passed and it hasn't happened.

https://ourworldindata.org/working-more-than-ever

And in several countries economic inequality is growing
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/incomes-of-the-richest?tab=line&time=1910..2024&country=USA%7EFRA%7ENOR%7EIND%7ECHN%7EDEU%7EGBR&quantile=richest_1pct&welfare_type=before_tax

Money is to society what oil and electricity are to industry. Control the first and you can control the second. AI needs vast amounts of money to buy and run the necessary hardware. So I don't believe that it will happen soon even if Musk is right.

But also, hardly anyone in a position of great power has ever willingly given up that power and in the transition period between now and a Star Trek utopia there will be numerous opportunities for those already powerful to entrench that power further. What happens if currency is abolished before utopia is achieved? Do we end up with even more techno-feudalism than we can already see happening in places like the US? Would we see the re-emergence of company scrip?

Those who have high status because of their wealth today will not willingly give up that status so what will they replace it with? Without money as a measure of status would we see the restoration of nobility?

Trump is already behaving as though he believes himself to be a king and that god is looking out for him.
An example of the Trump miracle talk at near its bluntest was provided this week by United States House of Representatives Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA), stating that “God miraculously spared the president’s life” when “multiple assassins tried to kill him.” This divine intervention, Johnson further declared was “undeniably” undertaken by God “for an obvious purpose.” That purpose, Johnson went on to explain as follows:

"His presidency and his life are the fruits of divine providence, and he points that out obviously now all the time, and he’s right to do so."
https://ronpaulinstitute.org/the-divine-right-of-donald-trump/

How much of a step is it from there to the divine right of kings? And of course all the panoply of mediaeval nobility.

Sorry, got more than a bit carried away, I really am worried, not for myself, perhaps not even my children. But I think our grandchildren could be in for an interesting time.
Except Tolkien did intend The Shire to be a reflection of idyllic, pre-industrial English village life. And at the beginning of Lord of the Rings, there's this:

https://similarworlds.com/fiction/lord-of-the-rings/5677307-From-Prologue-Concerning-Hobbits-The-Fellowship-of-the-Ring

However, by the end of the trilogy, the Hobbits take matters into their own hands and save The Shire from Saruman's depredations on their own, without help from outsiders. I guess Musk doesn't see this as a possibility.

I am annoyed at how people like Musk and Peter Thiel use Tolkien references. I wish they would leave it alone and pick some other fantasy series.
jademonkey19 · 41-45, T
the funniest (and saddest) thing about all the LOTR obsessed tech oligarchs is that many of them have probably never read any of the books cover to cover.

Empty vessels for an empty time.
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
This post is lovely and I agree with you (Elon Musk is a far right lunatic) but I sent you a PM about one thing you said please reply because I'm a little scared? 🥺🥺🥺

 
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