Do you feel it is appropriate for the president to fire judges and send US-born attorneys threatening letters telling them to leave the country?
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
Is this a real matter or something S.W. Robot has invented to wind people up?
As a foreigner I do not know the American President's limits of authority in the employment or dismissal of judges, but wanting to exile US-national lawyers, of attorney level, not even judges? That doesn't sound real.
Does he have the authority to exile anyone of American birth and nationality?
As a foreigner I do not know the American President's limits of authority in the employment or dismissal of judges, but wanting to exile US-national lawyers, of attorney level, not even judges? That doesn't sound real.
Does he have the authority to exile anyone of American birth and nationality?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@ArishMell Hi. S.W. Robot here. These are things that have been happening under the Trump administration. A US born attorney who advocates for immigrants and specifically represents them in citizenship cases was sent a letter by Homeland security telling her to either relocate or be relocated.
If you give me a bit, I'll find you the article.
If you give me a bit, I'll find you the article.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@BlueVeins I was unable to read the report unfortunately as The Guardian expects a subscription, so I don't know what is the threat.
Its phrase "self-deportation" is odd to say the least, though. One can either choose to emigrate, or be exiled by some legal or governmental decree, if the country permits that under its own laws.
I wonder what would happen to anyone who simply throws the letter away unanswered and ignores its demand.
Exiled for doing one's work... whatever next.
Its phrase "self-deportation" is odd to say the least, though. One can either choose to emigrate, or be exiled by some legal or governmental decree, if the country permits that under its own laws.
I wonder what would happen to anyone who simply throws the letter away unanswered and ignores its demand.
Exiled for doing one's work... whatever next.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Thankyou.
These cases do look like genuine errors by an overloaded agency trying to cope with a massive anti-immigration policy, but "case-by-case" dealing could take an inhumanely long time and still rely on nervous officials likely to err on the side of safety. Their own career and government-policy safety, that is.
It needs sorting out, fast, before the DHS digs itself even deeper into the mire, and even more luckless USA lawyers and social-workers receive these frightening messages.
However... I did wonder, could it be something else?
I'd want to know first if the messages are genuinely from the agency, and not spam ones masquerading as official. This is hinted at in one of those reports, but I also suggest it because although the motive is very different, we've seen fraud attempts against UK citizens by criminals sending messages pretending to be from His Majesty's Revenue & Customs (the national tax authority).
These cases do look like genuine errors by an overloaded agency trying to cope with a massive anti-immigration policy, but "case-by-case" dealing could take an inhumanely long time and still rely on nervous officials likely to err on the side of safety. Their own career and government-policy safety, that is.
It needs sorting out, fast, before the DHS digs itself even deeper into the mire, and even more luckless USA lawyers and social-workers receive these frightening messages.
However... I did wonder, could it be something else?
I'd want to know first if the messages are genuinely from the agency, and not spam ones masquerading as official. This is hinted at in one of those reports, but I also suggest it because although the motive is very different, we've seen fraud attempts against UK citizens by criminals sending messages pretending to be from His Majesty's Revenue & Customs (the national tax authority).
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KunsanVeteran · M
@ArishMell There is much truth to support your presumptions.
One of my closest friends daughters works for the DO(in)J in a deep Red District in a deep Red state. She is a paralegal. She related to me that:
“Everyone in DOJ is demoralized and hates Bondi. There are over 750 lawyer vacancies and no one is applying, so remaining staff are overworked. But everything is up in air as so many court challenges are pending.”
Just one more tRUMP appointee who in unqualified, incompetent, hateful and wasting taxpayers money.
One of my closest friends daughters works for the DO(in)J in a deep Red District in a deep Red state. She is a paralegal. She related to me that:
“Everyone in DOJ is demoralized and hates Bondi. There are over 750 lawyer vacancies and no one is applying, so remaining staff are overworked. But everything is up in air as so many court challenges are pending.”
Just one more tRUMP appointee who in unqualified, incompetent, hateful and wasting taxpayers money.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@KunsanVeteran Thankyou.
That is very worrying for your nation, for it could create a widespread fear that it is undafe and unwise to work for the civil-service generally, and especially in any lawyer's role. I wonder how many of the remaining staff are looking for alternative employment before they are pushed.
That is very worrying for your nation, for it could create a widespread fear that it is undafe and unwise to work for the civil-service generally, and especially in any lawyer's role. I wonder how many of the remaining staff are looking for alternative employment before they are pushed.
KunsanVeteran · M
@ArishMell That widespread fear you wrote of is very real and a very realistic fear.
The (very few) lawyers who remain do not want to represent Demented Donnie’s DO(in)J because they do not believe the cases are legitimate and they fear for their licenses. When pushed to take the cases and the judges question them their responses are typically “I was ordered to take this case,” “I was told to answer this way,” or “I was not given any time to review or briefing about this case or it’s merits.”
The federal judges are getting very frustrated and have stopped giving the DO(in)J the benefit of the doubt as to the legitimacy of its cases.
The inevitable result? The courts are grinding to a halt!
The (very few) lawyers who remain do not want to represent Demented Donnie’s DO(in)J because they do not believe the cases are legitimate and they fear for their licenses. When pushed to take the cases and the judges question them their responses are typically “I was ordered to take this case,” “I was told to answer this way,” or “I was not given any time to review or briefing about this case or it’s merits.”
The federal judges are getting very frustrated and have stopped giving the DO(in)J the benefit of the doubt as to the legitimacy of its cases.
The inevitable result? The courts are grinding to a halt!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@ArishMell I'm going to preface this statement by saying it's my personal opinion. I don't think these are errors being committed. I think these are threatening letters being sent to attorneys intentionally to try to intimidate them. The reason why there is some ambiguity there is to give DHS plausible deniability if they are called out on their behavior.
KunsanVeteran · M
@LordShadowfire Oh these letters are certainly intentional.
They constitute threats by mail and mail fraud. They should be traced back to their source and then…
They constitute threats by mail and mail fraud. They should be traced back to their source and then…