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WestonTexan · 18-21, M
All Trump is doing is doing the bidding of Israel, which is what Biden did and basically all presidents do because it's a major priority.
Anyone who thinks a U.S. president is going to avoid that is kidding themselves. Trump is just like all the rest. There's no truly "anti-war" president.
Meanwhile people are trying to convince themselves they hate Iran for some reason. I hate to give credit to Tucker Carlson, but he was totally right in his "debate" with Ted Cruz. People don't even know anything about the country they want to bomb. That's American foreign policy in a nutshell.
Anyone who thinks a U.S. president is going to avoid that is kidding themselves. Trump is just like all the rest. There's no truly "anti-war" president.
Meanwhile people are trying to convince themselves they hate Iran for some reason. I hate to give credit to Tucker Carlson, but he was totally right in his "debate" with Ted Cruz. People don't even know anything about the country they want to bomb. That's American foreign policy in a nutshell.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@WestonTexan Thank God we have a 12 year old to straighten us out on world affairs. Phew.... 😂
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@carpediem Ah, the words of someone who has no counter-argument 😁
carpediem · 61-69, M
@WestonTexan 🤣 Sure kid
GuidanceCounselor · 56-60, M
@WestonTexan what left wing nutbag told you this?
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@GuidanceCounselor Still waiting for that counter-argument. Not seeing anything yet. 🤷🏼♂ Just a bunch of angry boomers who can't articulate what it is they're even angry about.
GuidanceCounselor · 56-60, M
@WestonTexan run along and play outside
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@WestonTexan There's not much to rebut.
No. Netanyahu wanted Trump and the US to invade Iran and we aren't doing that. We aren't doing the "bidding" of Israel.
Ted Cruz isn't commander in chief, Trump is. It's unfortunate that Carlson made him look stupid, but perhaps Cruz SHOULD know the population of Iran. As far as people wanting to bomb Iran, I think that's a small minority. Most people want the US to stay out of it.
All Trump is doing is doing the bidding of Israe
No. Netanyahu wanted Trump and the US to invade Iran and we aren't doing that. We aren't doing the "bidding" of Israel.
Meanwhile people are trying to convince themselves they hate Iran for some reason. I hate to give credit to Tucker Carlson, but he was totally right in his "debate" with Ted Cruz. People don't even know anything about the country they want to bomb. That's American foreign policy in a nutshell.
Ted Cruz isn't commander in chief, Trump is. It's unfortunate that Carlson made him look stupid, but perhaps Cruz SHOULD know the population of Iran. As far as people wanting to bomb Iran, I think that's a small minority. Most people want the US to stay out of it.
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@SumKindaMunster The problem is that we can't claim to "stay out of it" if we're an endless supply of weapons for Israel, who will do what it wants with that supply. Israel knows that and thus we have no true leverage over them. And of course we didn't even limit it to that: against many Americans' wishes, we dropped bombs on another country. Many voted for Trump because they thought he would avoid doing just that.
Netanyahu seems pretty pleased with what we did; I think he knows that we will always follow his aggression, and we will not ever cut off the gravy train. We don't have to invade to do what he wants. Israel takes aggressive action, and we are there to support it. Biden would have, Trump did, the conflicts we are involved in now are because of one state.
Trump is in line with previous presidents; he is not an outlier.
Netanyahu seems pretty pleased with what we did; I think he knows that we will always follow his aggression, and we will not ever cut off the gravy train. We don't have to invade to do what he wants. Israel takes aggressive action, and we are there to support it. Biden would have, Trump did, the conflicts we are involved in now are because of one state.
Trump is in line with previous presidents; he is not an outlier.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@WestonTexan Sometimes that is exactly what allies do. 🙂
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@nudistsueaz My point is this alliance is noxious and drags us into conflict. We get very little out of it.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@WestonTexan I understand that. What we did get was a safer world and we demonstrated if you aren't willing to negotiate in good faith bad things can happen.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@WestonTexan Are you aware of the history of Israel and the many wars it has had to fight during its existence?
Without the United States protecting it, Israel would long have been destroyed by its Muslim neighbors.
Is your issue with the US war machine, Israel, or Trump? It's not clear.
I don't believe that Trump is an outlier with regards to his policy towards Israel.
Without the United States protecting it, Israel would long have been destroyed by its Muslim neighbors.
Is your issue with the US war machine, Israel, or Trump? It's not clear.
I don't believe that Trump is an outlier with regards to his policy towards Israel.
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@SumKindaMunster It’s more with the US and Israel than Trump, that is for sure, I criticize Trump on this and people think I’m a Biden-loving Democrat, but Biden was more ardently pro-Israel than Trump in many ways, so it’s not about that.
I’m skeptical of those claims because the same thing is said about Iran: if they had a nuke, they would bomb Israel and the US. It seems to me Iran wants a nuke for the same reasons everyone else does: to stop other countries from intervening and overthrowing their leaders. Iran doesn’t want what happened in Libya to happen to them.
Israel always says they’re in imminent danger but I’m seeing them act aggressively and ethnically cleanse Gaza. So I’m not inclined to defend them.
I’m skeptical of those claims because the same thing is said about Iran: if they had a nuke, they would bomb Israel and the US. It seems to me Iran wants a nuke for the same reasons everyone else does: to stop other countries from intervening and overthrowing their leaders. Iran doesn’t want what happened in Libya to happen to them.
Israel always says they’re in imminent danger but I’m seeing them act aggressively and ethnically cleanse Gaza. So I’m not inclined to defend them.
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BrandNewMan · M
@WestonTexan Lol .. Better than a misguided young man .. just saying ..
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@BrandNewMan Well, we’ll see about that ;)
BrandNewMan · M
@WestonTexan It right there in front of us.. right now. You are speaking out in support of state sponsors of terrorism .. not just against Israel. No way to support that.
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@BrandNewMan All I know is: I'm not making excuses for ethnic cleansing or the bombing deaths of almost 1000. I'm confident about where I stand on this. I do not have any particular love for Iran's oppressive, theocratic government. But I also don't support the genocidal government of Israel.
BrandNewMan · M
@WestonTexan I'm not making excuses .. both sides have fault in this. It's you who does not seem to grasp that.
Claiming ethnic cleansing without recognizing Palestinians have harbored and tolerated Hamas and its forbears for decades and the impact that has had in fueling the on-going conflict is about as blind as you can be to reality.
Oct 7th proves that .. 1200 killed, still with people held captive .. and what you are seeing from Israel is directly in response. It is Hamas who hides in hospitals, churches, schools etc among the citizens of Gaza .. using them as a shield like cowards after their terrorist acts .. not just now but throughout the history of this conflict. The two sides have traded such blows for decades longer than the year or two you have been an "adult" .. so I am considering the whole story .. not just the popular one among self-righteous, ill-informed youth.
Claiming ethnic cleansing without recognizing Palestinians have harbored and tolerated Hamas and its forbears for decades and the impact that has had in fueling the on-going conflict is about as blind as you can be to reality.
Oct 7th proves that .. 1200 killed, still with people held captive .. and what you are seeing from Israel is directly in response. It is Hamas who hides in hospitals, churches, schools etc among the citizens of Gaza .. using them as a shield like cowards after their terrorist acts .. not just now but throughout the history of this conflict. The two sides have traded such blows for decades longer than the year or two you have been an "adult" .. so I am considering the whole story .. not just the popular one among self-righteous, ill-informed youth.
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
@BrandNewMan If you were truly considering the whole story, you'd know that over the years, Israel has killed far more Palestinians than they have of Israelis and that Israel has slowly whittled away Palestinian territory and kept them in what is essentially an open-air prison in Gaza and destroyed and taken over homes in the West Bank. Hamas didn't come out of nowhere, yet those who want to fault Hamas for the entire conflict seem to believe that they did.
50,000+ Palestinians have been killed since October 7th. It has gone far beyond any kind of justifiable response. There is no defending it.
50,000+ Palestinians have been killed since October 7th. It has gone far beyond any kind of justifiable response. There is no defending it.
BrandNewMan · M
@WestonTexan I said there was fault on both sides .. but again .. Hamas brought this on Palestine. It is NOT simply Israel acting out.
I agree some of this has gone beyond a proportional response. Realistically .. Hamas may finally have pushed Israel to the point where they have decided proportional responses are no longer enough. The diplomacy and other actions over the years have not deterred Hamas .. Oct 7th proved that. What is your expectation of Hamas /Gaza to bring change from their side
to break this cycle of perpetual conflict? It cannot all fall on Israel .. Hamas have to be held accountable as well.
I agree some of this has gone beyond a proportional response. Realistically .. Hamas may finally have pushed Israel to the point where they have decided proportional responses are no longer enough. The diplomacy and other actions over the years have not deterred Hamas .. Oct 7th proved that. What is your expectation of Hamas /Gaza to bring change from their side
to break this cycle of perpetual conflict? It cannot all fall on Israel .. Hamas have to be held accountable as well.