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so trump cant stop the war in ukraine, he lied to us?

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It's not as simple as the Ukrainians want to present it.It is not just a big bully picking on some little kid. About 1/5 maybe a little less of the population of Ukraine is ethically Russian. Their families have lived in the area for hundreds of years.

Should Donald Trump have known this before making such a fool-hearted statement. Of course he should. I do think it is best that he wash his hands with the whole situation and not mess with what basically is a border war.
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@Slicker24 Hundreds of years? I think you'll find that most ethnic Russians were moved in to Ukraine and Crimea by the Soviets after millions of Ukrainians were starved to death by the Soviets in the 1930's and most of the Crimean Tatas were relocated to Siberia in the 1920's. Google Holodomor... While you're at it, Google The Budapest Memorandum.
@walabby @walabby Believe whatever you want. It is just one big huge complicated mess and we should stay right away from it.
If we are going to concentrate on something way far away from us, concentrate on China and Taiwan.
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@Slicker24 It's not a matter of belief. The USA guaranteed support of Ukraine's sovereignty in The Budapest Memorandum. The USA just needs to keep its word.
@Slicker24 It's not complicated.

Ukraine is an independent nation.

Russia invaded them.

DJT likes Putin and is trying to give him what he (Putin) wants.

DJT is trying to get Americans to think he is noble, but trying to force someone to give up their land makes no sense, and NATO was FORMED to counter Soviet (Russian) aggression.
@walabby Fine, keep believing an old moldy document.You can pay them a hundreds of billions in aid out of your pocket.Don't be surprised when they call for more, either because it's never going to stop. Don't be surprised either when they yell because you haven't sent it All at once.
If another Watchapachaslavic nation cries for your help, don't be too surprised, either.
Now don't go thinking I'm a big Trump supporter, either.I think he is just of big of a$$hole as anyone else.
When you say NATO, you mean the U.S,Because they are basically the only one doing anything. The other members are just going along for the ride. This poor boy crap doesn't go very far with me.I say just back away from the whole thing. It's Europe's War let Europe handle it.
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@SomeMichGuy Let me put it this way. Back in 2022 I took a look at the map of Ukraine. I could see that Russia was occupying about 1/5 of it. Then all I could hear Was Ukraine did this, Ukraine did that Ukraine blew up Russia s biggest oil field, Putin In panic.
I took another look at the map in early 2025 and it looked about the same. I quit even listening to that war and decided to take another look at the map in September or October of this year and see if anything has changed.
@Slicker24 And bullying doesn'tmake the bully right.
@SomeMichGuy Listen, if Ukraine put 1/10 of the energy trying to take back the land that was took from them as they are trying to destroy Russia this war would have been over with a long time ago.You Hear from the people of Ukraine and ask them why they are doing this they will tell you that this is getting the reparations from the hundreds of years that Russia has enslaved them, so this didn't just start back A few years ago. It didn't start back in the days of Stalin, either.
I will take another look and a map of Ukraine in August or September, probably September and see if anything has changed but for now I don't want to hear anymore about it. It's not as simple as they Present it, it is not a big bullying a little guy. I don't care how it looks on paper.
@Slicker24 No, you don't care how it IS.

And they showed up the Russian army quite well.

Had we brought them into NATO, this either would never have occurred or would have already been over.