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jeancolby · 31-35, F
If Ukraine hadn't been so hell bent on joining NATO, being pushed to do so by the EC and the US, Russia would never have invaded them. Mark my words, the war will end when there is an iron clad agreement that Ukraine WILL NOT join NATO.
Captain · 61-69, M
@jeancolby But it will by stealth sooner or later with or without the US in NATO. The question is will Russia give back the land its taken, I forsee a long draw out battle of words rather tha a negotiation on this one. Only Putin getting what he wants or some taking over who's prepared to settle for benefits in return to ceding back most of the Dombass will end this. I dont see a new Ukranian regime taking any other stance than that. So another Palestine, Trumps good at Pelatine situations, takes the side of the bully and kicks in hard. That's probably why hes tried to allign with Putin. Problem is Putin wont even cede anything to him. Tragedies that are black comedies that are the end of the worlod as we know it anytime soon now. Come on Ancient Aliens, pop down in your UFOs and save us from this madness
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Captain · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Not sure about that. It was part of his excuse anyway. Clearly Ukraine had and has wealth producing resource and people and Russia is a place fairly devoid of people for its size. Joining NATO would have directed that resource in people and wealth creation more positively toward Europe anyway, but Russia has always been a paranoid place and when Russia initially offered to join NATO and make it in effect an anti islamic terrorist alliance it was refused. Si what else does NATO stand for oy=ther than an anti Russian alliance ? Not making an excuse for him, just stating that we the west kept the cold war going by inviting in everyone except Russia - other states stayed out because they did want to take a side and could see the dangers of division. I think history will ask the questiuon whether more could not have been done to be included into the western world before the divisions started over Russian naval access to the Black Sea which led to the 2014 Crimea annexation. When trade stops crossing borders, armies start crossing borders. Thats why Trumps trade war on all of us is such a bad idea. JMHO.
@newjaninev2 If the Russian Federation collapses just what do you want to be in its place, the USSR? You have to realize this one simple fact. Russia is always going to be there.
Captain · 61-69, M
@kittee It looked very much to me like Trump was hoping to do a deal with Russia and take over Greenland. There's something valuable in the artic and the thawing ice cap and northwest passge may have something to do with this, but I dont think we know enough yet to figure out what's going on.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Captain countries are never invited to join NATO - they are required to apply, and to then follow a prescribed process.
Following the collapse of the (unlamented) Soviet Union, russia chose not to apply, insisting that it should be formally invited to join... Another example of russia feeling that the rules of international relationships don't apply to them.
Following the collapse of the (unlamented) Soviet Union, russia chose not to apply, insisting that it should be formally invited to join... Another example of russia feeling that the rules of international relationships don't apply to them.
Captain · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Thanks fot the clarification.
ElwoodBlues · M
@kittee asks
Putin wanted Russia to join NATO back in 2000.
why cant they join nato?
Excellent question! If NATO were so evil, Putin would never have asked to join. But he did so 25 years ago!Putin wanted Russia to join NATO back in 2000.
“Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
Captain · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues That is very funny isnt it. Unfortunately it has rather defied what has happened since.
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Captain · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Well hes paranoid anyway