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Sorry Trumpers, but Trump's "free speech" defense is not gonna work.

He is within his rights, under the First Amendment, to speak publicly about the election and even claim, falsely, that there had been outcome and determinative fraud during the election.

He is within his rights under the First Amendment, to speak about challenging the election results through legal means.

But, perpetrating conspiracies to discount legitimate votes and subvert the election results? Nope. The First Amendment is not down with that.

You can say what you like (e.g., say that everyone has the right to print money) and you're protected, but as soon as you do it (e.g., actually print your money), you're committing a crime.

Sorry, Trumpers😁

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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

We know, contesting the results of an elektion to get the results overturned is not the same as contesting the results of an elektion to get the elektion overturned

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 he's allowed to say whatevert he wants; but he can't hide behind Free Speech if he decides to commit a crime.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User @SW-User Contesting the results of an elektion to get the results overturned is not the same as contesting the results of an elektion to get the elektion overturned

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 That is completely irrelevant, as usual. The fact remains, Trump cannot hide behind Free Speech. His time is up; he's done.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User And if an attorney offers legal advise to said candidate on contesting the results of an elektion, said attorney is also liable to prosecution, right?

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 Yes. Irrelevant, but yes.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User "Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear.

“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”

“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”

Clinton also offered copious criticism of President Trump, saying she warned the country about her former rival, and “it was even worse than I thought it was.”

“I really did feel sometimes like the tree falling in the forest. I believed he was a puppet of Putin. I believed that there was relevant, important information in his tax returns. I believed he did not have the temperament to be president, he was unfit—not a partisan comment, but an assessment of him,” the former secretary of state said."

SW-User

@sunsporter1649

You're dismissed

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User

1876: A compromise that came at a price

1888: Bribing blocks of five

1960: Did the Daley machine deliver?

2000: The hanging chads

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 Deflection. Trump is done. Deal with it.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User We get it, only demonocrats are permitted to contest the results of an elektion in an effort to get the elektion overthrown

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 Anyone is permitted to contest the results of an election, just like Trump tried to do. When he failed, he then committed many crimes to get the results overturned. No one else did.

This is new territory. This is Trump territory. No president has committed as many crimes as Trump. He will go down in history as the most corrupt, dishonest, crooked president America has ever had, and ever will have.

It begins...🍿

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User Just what are the alleged "crimes"?

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 Read all about them here:

Breaking down the 78 charges Trump faces in his three indictments

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/trump-charges-jan-6-classified-documents/

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User And of course the compost has no political bias in the matter, right?

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 Irrelevant.

Biased or not, those are the 78 crimes Trump has (allegedly) committed. Fact.

Deal with it.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@SW-User And guilty as charged, right, the compost has so stated

SW-User

@sunsporter1649 the fact remains, those are the alleged crimes, all 78 of them.

I await your inevitable hilarious and completely irrelevant Branco cartoon 🥱😴

Richard65 · M

@sunsporter1649 Pllleeeaaasseee find a relevant Blanco cartoon. It always brightens up my day!

JSul3 · 70-79

@sunsporter1649 Did she contest the results? NO.

Did she concede the election soon after midnight and call Trump and congratulate him? YES.

Did she demand a recount of several states? NO.

Did she call the AG of a state and tell them to find X number of ballots to give her the win in that state? NO.

JSul3 · 70-79

@sunsporter1649 Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Jack Smith stated such.

Tell Trump to testify. That would get him his ratings and the attention he so desperately craves.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@JSul3 "‘You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you.’– Hillary Clinton, speaking at an “Evening with the Clintons” event in Los Angeles Saturday."

JSul3 · 70-79

@sunsporter1649 When you win the popular vote and lose via the archaic Electoral College, 'one person, one vote' becomes meaningless.

Imagine the MAGA crowd if their God had won the popular vote yet lost due to the EC. They would be demanding the EC be eliminated. Who was the last GOP Pres. to win the popular vote?
2004...GWB.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@JSul3 50% of the population lives in 9 states, your opinion is screw the other 50%, their vote is meaningless, right?

JSul3 · 70-79

@sunsporter1649 Why do so many live in those 9 states?
How about we add some more Senators to those highly populated states and more House seats?