I Hate Donald Trump
Is it a good thing that ISIS has been destroyed in one year after Obama allowed it to be created then did little to combat it?
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dochakase · 31-35, M
Well, actually, and this is coming from a political scientist who analyzed the middle-east situations. When Bush moved into Iraq and toppled its leadership, there was an unstable element created that allowed ISIS to become a reality. Their goal was to create a radical Islamic state, and that was able to be potentially accomplished with Iraq being so unstable. Plus, a lot of other states in the region had internal uprisings inspired by the fall of Iraq, which created further instability. This allowed ISIS to thrive.
ISIS being destroyed has nothing to do with Trump, but rather coalition efforts for many years alongside ISIS not being stable enough to maintain their huge network. ISIS has yet to be fully destroyed, but their presence is a lot less prevalent. This doesn't change the fact that numerous terrorist networks still exist in the region. So, even if ISIS is gone, the greater overarching threat is not.
ISIS being destroyed has nothing to do with Trump, but rather coalition efforts for many years alongside ISIS not being stable enough to maintain their huge network. ISIS has yet to be fully destroyed, but their presence is a lot less prevalent. This doesn't change the fact that numerous terrorist networks still exist in the region. So, even if ISIS is gone, the greater overarching threat is not.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@dochakase Nothing to do with Trump? Have you ever heard of "Rules of engagement?" Sorry you have no credibility.
dochakase · 31-35, M
@Strictgram Rules of engagement are literally used for battlefield use only. In the US, we follow the Rules for the Use of Force (RUF). You are probably thinking of the laws of war, which are the international level laws recognized by a majority of sovereign states. ISIS was on their way out before Trump took office, mostly due to the work of NATO and other international coalitions ALONGSIDE the efforts of the United States. ISIS isn't failing because of Trump and Trump alone. ISIS expanded too quickly, over too wide of a network, which stretched thin their command structure and their supply lines. It made it a lot easier to fight and pick them off from the air, aided with ground battles from various rebel groups in places like Syria.
To think that Trump is the reason ISIS is dying, is sadly misinformed. I might not have credibility to someone who doesn't understand international relations, especially in regards to any forms of peacekeeping or wartime operations, however this is just the fact of the matter. The US has had limited involvement, and Trump's major military action was actually against the Syrian state military, not ISIS. The United States military command has been focused on the ISIS issues themselves for the most part. The President's role is fairly limited outside approving or disapproving their attack plans.
To think that Trump is the reason ISIS is dying, is sadly misinformed. I might not have credibility to someone who doesn't understand international relations, especially in regards to any forms of peacekeeping or wartime operations, however this is just the fact of the matter. The US has had limited involvement, and Trump's major military action was actually against the Syrian state military, not ISIS. The United States military command has been focused on the ISIS issues themselves for the most part. The President's role is fairly limited outside approving or disapproving their attack plans.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@dochakase OBama made targeting decisions from Washington. Trump allows the military to make decisions on the spot.
"Isis being destroyed has nothing to do with Trump..." Total and complete nonsense!
You seem like a smart liberal but one that wouldn't give Trump credit if your life depended on it. The great economy is Obamas doing right?
"Isis being destroyed has nothing to do with Trump..." Total and complete nonsense!
You seem like a smart liberal but one that wouldn't give Trump credit if your life depended on it. The great economy is Obamas doing right?
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@Strictgram JUst a quick question. If the economy is all Rump's to claim glory for---where are the jobs bills he claims are lowering the unemployment figures? How does one lower unemployment if he has never introduced one jobs bill to do it? I smile when I read comments like yours. Obama took a DOW of 6000 and raised it to 19,800 in 8 years--in the middle of the greatest recession since the 1930's---and every Republican I know says" he did nothing". But it rises 2,000 more riding the same trajectory it was when the Russians helped Rump take office and all you hear is OMG!!! TRUMP IS SAVING THE WORLD!!!! lol lol lol lol But if the talk show hosts on FOX have convinced you it all belongs to Rump and that makes you feel good---OK.
But remember---if one wants to get full credit for the good---they also get full credit for the bad. Like no passed legislation--at all--except for the tax scam in ONE FULL YEAR. Selling our private information to the highest bidder. Repealing the Clean Streams Act--repealing the Clean Air Act--OK'ing the raping of OUR national parks for mining and oil drilling so his Big Oil cronies can profit. Paying off porn stars to shut up about adultry. Shutting down our government. Obstruction of justice. Hiring and employing Russian agents in his campaign staff and their appointment to high security clearance jobs in government. Ignoring Puerto Rico. Leaving over 500 jobs in government STILL unfilled---including Homeland Security, FEMA--ambassadorships to ally nations--etc, etc. Going ONE FULL YEAR AND STILL there is no operating budget for government or military operations. Playing golf for over 1/3 of the actual numbers of days since the election.
The list goes on--and on. In fact--the list of screw-ups, embarrassments, scandals and probable impeachable (if not jailable) offenses are a great deal longer than anything good you can post to counter it. But I do dare you to try. All we hear is "Rump has done sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much for us"----but when asked to name what those things are, the silence is deafening. So I challenge you--if Rump truly has been a fabulous president---give us a list of accomplishments.
PS---One of them was not defeating ISIS. ;-) Bush claimed the glory for that one...."Mission Accomplished". Remember? And the fighting goes on....which is extremely odd since either Bush or Rump defeated them. Isn't it?
But remember---if one wants to get full credit for the good---they also get full credit for the bad. Like no passed legislation--at all--except for the tax scam in ONE FULL YEAR. Selling our private information to the highest bidder. Repealing the Clean Streams Act--repealing the Clean Air Act--OK'ing the raping of OUR national parks for mining and oil drilling so his Big Oil cronies can profit. Paying off porn stars to shut up about adultry. Shutting down our government. Obstruction of justice. Hiring and employing Russian agents in his campaign staff and their appointment to high security clearance jobs in government. Ignoring Puerto Rico. Leaving over 500 jobs in government STILL unfilled---including Homeland Security, FEMA--ambassadorships to ally nations--etc, etc. Going ONE FULL YEAR AND STILL there is no operating budget for government or military operations. Playing golf for over 1/3 of the actual numbers of days since the election.
The list goes on--and on. In fact--the list of screw-ups, embarrassments, scandals and probable impeachable (if not jailable) offenses are a great deal longer than anything good you can post to counter it. But I do dare you to try. All we hear is "Rump has done sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much for us"----but when asked to name what those things are, the silence is deafening. So I challenge you--if Rump truly has been a fabulous president---give us a list of accomplishments.
PS---One of them was not defeating ISIS. ;-) Bush claimed the glory for that one...."Mission Accomplished". Remember? And the fighting goes on....which is extremely odd since either Bush or Rump defeated them. Isn't it?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@anythingoes477 You don't create jobs with legislation. You do it with tax cuts, regulation removal, and pro business climate. Record low unemployment stats for every group speak for themselves and can't be countered. Of course this is pre Covid.
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@Strictgram This straight from the Wall Street Journal. Which flavor of Kool Aide do you like best? You sure love drinking it.
"Do tax cuts for the rich create jobs? High-income families are more likely to save their tax cut than spend it. During a recession, they don't need the extra money to maintain their standard of living. They already have savings and lines of credit to do that.
The CBO found that tax cuts for the rich would create 4 jobs for every $1 million in cuts. It reviewed the impact of maintaining higher exemption amounts for the Alternative Minimum Tax. The AMT gets triggered when taxpayers make more than the exemption. It’s more likely to catch those in higher tax brackets. Keeping the exemption higher would benefit wealthy households."
"Do tax cuts for the rich create jobs? High-income families are more likely to save their tax cut than spend it. During a recession, they don't need the extra money to maintain their standard of living. They already have savings and lines of credit to do that.
The CBO found that tax cuts for the rich would create 4 jobs for every $1 million in cuts. It reviewed the impact of maintaining higher exemption amounts for the Alternative Minimum Tax. The AMT gets triggered when taxpayers make more than the exemption. It’s more likely to catch those in higher tax brackets. Keeping the exemption higher would benefit wealthy households."
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