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I get that socialism isn't perfect and some people may find it unfair, but...

What I don't understand is the biggest argument against it: "Funding socialism requires such high taxes that working people won't be able to afford food."

Supplementing income so that everyone can afford basic needs like food, healthcare and housing applies to everyone. Working people shouldn't need it because wages are always higher than government support under any proposed version, but if working people somehow can't afford food on their wages, they too will receive support to buy that.

The only way anybody goes hungry, sick or homeless under real socialism is if everybody does because the support isn't sufficient. But the value of all labor not covering everyone's basic needs is only possible if a bunch of it leaves the system.

That happens when CEOs take more of it than they pump back in the form of wages, job creation, taxes and consumption that creates demand for all that, and leave the rest just sitting somewhere. That's the core philosophy of capitalism. You're afraid of capitalism.

Also, that fear is based on the assumption that socialism will be funded by increasing taxes on labor rather than profit and/or wealth, which ideally isn't the case.
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Convivial · 26-30, F
It's funny how in the top ten lists of happy countries the Nordic socialism countries seem to scoop the list repeatedly
Bottlerocket · 26-30, MNew
The argument isn't that no one can afford food the argument is eventually the food always runs out
@whowasthatmaskedman capitalism has definitely done a lot of good in its early stages. But infinite growth isn't sustainable and it becomes destructive instead in later stages. We've crossed that threshold a long time ago, but capitalism doesn't easily give up its power. It's high time to force that though. Now we only need a good alternative.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@NerdyPotato A hybrid Capitalist/Socialist sytem will work well. "IF" regulated and taxed to provide the necessary infrastructure. Its hard to imagine, but true, that Donald Trump had directly paid out $4Billion to cancel renewable energy wind farm profects in America so far. I would call it stupidity, But its worse. It is insuring the existing power generators dont face competition and can keep prices high..Thats economic vandalism..
Norway is a great example of how to do it right. A young American can even travel to Norway and study in their Universities for free. Unfortunately the classes and texts are in Norse..😷
@whowasthatmaskedman that's exactly what most socialists consider socialism and are proposing for the USA. But yeah, the pure capitalists are of course against it and they buy all policies.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Where does this supplement come from?
@MasterLee you can spew that BS elsewhere. If you don't want to answer the question in my post, this isn't the place for you.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@NerdyPotato aww truth hurts you
@MasterLee let me know when you're ready to answer. Any deflection hereafter will be deleted.
https://www.thecornellreview.org/yes-real-socialism-has-been-tried-and-it-has-failed-every-time/
Bottlerocket · 26-30, MNew
@whowasthatmaskedman oh spare me good lord the hypocrisy
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Bottlerocket I cant think of a reason why you should be spared. Maybe you can offer something?😷
Bottlerocket · 26-30, MNew
@whowasthatmaskedman flex the only power you will ever have type your reply and quickly hit the block so you get the last word in
pdockal · 56-60, M
I think the biggest argument is it hasn't worked anywhere
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@pdockal I did open by stating that there are many definitions to Socialism. The American Wikipedian version is not definitive. Remember that the term has been included in both the USSR and the Nazi party titles. Again. I am not trying to disagree with you. Just suggesting the word has been folded mutlated and spindled to suit a lot of purposes
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pdockal · 56-60, M
@whowasthatmaskedman

There is one definition
With numerous sunsets
Doesn't matter your opinion
Wikipedia ... why would you rely on that
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@pdockal I wouldnt. Thats my point.. Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree..😷

 
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