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ArtieKat · M
@Guitarman123
Don't let the truth stand in the way of your ideology.
Labelling it as "socialist" is stretching it rather a lot.
Don't let the truth stand in the way of your ideology.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat thats the definition of socialism
ArtieKat · M
@Guitarman123 I don't think you'll find that all workers' cooperatives are necessarily socialist. If that is what you are maintaining I would be interested to know how you label kibbutzim?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat any business thats ran by the worker's equally is socialist
ArtieKat · M
@Guitarman123 Are you claiming specifically that kibbutzim are both cooperatives and socialist?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat im claiming that any business where all employee's are equally in charge and don't have a boss are socialist in nature
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat the whole ideal of socialism is to abolish hierarchy and private ownership of the means of production
ArtieKat · M
@Guitarman123 I see that you are avoiding my question - presumably because your anti-Semitic dogma can't cope with such a dilemma. If you look at the generally accepted definition of socialism it states quite clearly the whole of society should be in public ownership - a very very different concept from one where a commercial business, operating in a market economy, is owned and operated by its workforce.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat whata anti semitic dogma you talking about? When have i expressed hatred for jewish people? Stop talking nonsensical drivel. It states that private ownership of the means of production should be abolished and replaced with common ownership of the means of production. Nothing to with all of society been under public ownership.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Guitarman123 ive criticised the American government. Does that mean i hate Americans? Does it mean i hate been English for how Northern Ireland has been treated?
ArtieKat · M
@Guitarman123 Probably
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat if you believe that then you blindly follow nationalist propaganda amd that no country is allowed to be criticised. Even one thats oppressed a people for decade's
ArtieKat · M
@Guitarman123 On the contrary - I don't follow any propaganda of any description. I make up my own mind on an issue by issue basis. I feel fairly confident, however, in being able to predict what you will polly-parrot. Of course "from the river to the sea" doesn't mean you want to see the destruction of Israel and the extermination of all its citizens (for example).
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat sure you do. Thats why you called me anti semitic. Through independent thinking and not because of nationalist propaganda that blinds you to the decades long injustices israel has committed against Palestine.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@ArtieKat you're the first person ever to call someone who criticises israel because of the international laws it breaks in oppressing the people of Palestine as "anti semitic" when zionism is political and not religious