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Marx on the US

Karl Marx was not only a connoisseur of American politics, but also an ardent supporter of Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party. Like thousands of Germans, by the way, the so-called Forty-Eighters - those "forty-eights" who fled to America after the failure of the German Revolution in 1848/49 and later, in the civil war, sided with the party for the liberation of slaves and its president.

"Work in white skin cannot emancipate itself where it is branded in black skin," Marx wrote to Lincoln.

Today that excitement would give way to horror. Because the party for the liberation of slaves, in which German socialists were once active, has long since become the party of the former slave owners, in which racists have also found a political home.

How would Karl Marx explain Donald Trump's victory? Marx would have looked at the economic substructure of society and tried to explain the actions of the actors, and here in particular the ruling class, the bourgeoisie, from their economic interests.

“Interest does not think, it calculates. The motives are his numbers”, wrote Marx as early as 1842 in the “Debates on the Law on theft of wood”.

As a critic of political economy, Marx may have first analyzed how the capitalist mode of production has changed in recent decades. For while certain basic elements - such as the drive for profit as the engine of the economy - define capitalism, there are nevertheless very different forms of capital accumulation nowadays.

As a historian and politician, Marx would have taken the next step and ruthlessly dissected the pitiful state of American democracy. He would have referred to the exuberant influence of big money, to which politics in Washington is increasingly subject, and to the associated erosion of democracy.
And Marx must have dealt intensively with the fact that both parties, Republicans and Democrats, primarily have the interests of the American bourgeoisie in mind. In the words of Gore Vidal:
“There is only one party in the United States, the ownership party. And it has two wings: republican and democratic.”
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
Your post contradicts what i learned in college. So I googled "Karl Marx quotes about america", since your theory is that he admired the nation. Here are a few that google came up with. Nothing specifically with the word "America" unfortunately. Perhaps you have one or two?

“Democracy is the road to socialism.” ― Karl Marx

“The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.” ― Karl Marx

“Religion is the opium of the masses.” ― Karl Marx

“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.” ― Karl Marx

“The theory of Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.” ― Karl Marx

[b]And last but not least, here's one which aptly summarizes the intent of your top post:
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If you can cut the people off from their history, then they can be easily persuaded.” – Karl Marx
Gloomy · F
@SusanInFlorida Wow mindlessly quoting Marx 🤦‍♀️ trying to proof what exactly?

[quote]“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.” ― Karl Marx[/quote]

There is no evidence Marx ever wrote or said this and online people can't even decide on whether Marx or Lenin have apparently said that.

and I didn't say he admired America and if you do some research he did follow US politics.
Gloomy · F
@SusanInFlorida [quote]If you can cut the people off from their history, then they can be easily persuaded.” – Karl Marx [/quote]
The meaning of it is that if the people have the present taken out of context from historical analysis then they can be convinced of anything. It is a critique of fascist and nationalist ideologues which use immigrants and minorities as scapegoats etc by taking away all context for the reasons why they may be in the situation they are in.

It isn't Marx saying that we should use this tactic rather we believe heavily in material analysis of history and its rather a critique of right wing ideologies.
@SusanInFlorida I was told that Marx said or wrote that he thought America would be the one country where he figured there would be no need for a worker rebellion; I believe he had that much faith in our democracy.
Gloomy · F
@SusanInFlorida [quote]" The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.” ― Karl Marx[/quote]

This quote is often attributed to Marx and is a reference to the idea that in capitalist societies, the drive for profit and efficency can lead to a situation where the majority of people are only able to survive by selling their labor to a small group of owners who control the means of production. In this case peoples lifes become reduced to their value as workers and they are unable to develop their full potential as human beings.
In other words the overproduction of goods can lead to a situation where people are reduced to being mere consumers, rather than active and creative participants in society.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Gloomy thank you. good to know. i interpreted it as a rant against automation, which results in unemployment among unskilled/semi-skilled labor. Marx DOES seem to idolize the cottage industries of 17th century europe, doesn't he?
Gloomy · F
@SusanInFlorida He did criticise automation but for different reasons.

Yes and I find it understandable given that the cottage industry was healthier for workers and communities.