@ProfMarston If your neighbor was moving his own things, would you feel the need to get involved ? Or would you assume he had everything under control ?
@bijouxbroussard ok, i'll clarify... home invasion robberies are typically staged when the resident is at home. they are often shot and killed in the invasion. it's the life i'm concerned about. in cases when a woman is forcibly impregnated, well, abortion is a tough choice, and yes, it is her choice. otherwise, decide whether you want to be pregnant before you willingly open your legs.
@ProfMarston Again, not your body, not your baby—not your business. And the comparison between that and a home invasion is just foolish, unless you think people regularly accidentally invade their own homes and rob themselves.
the uterus is "leased" to the baby for abt 9 months. if the landlord murders the tenant, or hires it done, it's murder. if you didn't want to lease your uterus, you shouldn't have allowed the baby to move in. again, rape is an exception, but carrying to term and giving up for adoption is more civil. if life circumstances are not conducive to carrying a child to term, find a shelter or something.
@ProfMarston Not your body, not your business. I always think it’s interesting when someone without a uterus would dictate how others should use theirs. Women will always seek abortions. They did so before it became legal and if somehow they become second class citizens again, compelled to be human incubators, they will seek illegal ones again. When they were illegal, women died. And only those who care more about cell clusters and zygotes than they do about living, breathing women would make safe terminations illegal again.
@bijouxbroussard legal dictionary defines murder as the intentional termination of a human life that does not pose a threat to other human life and has not been sentenced to capital punishment. medical dictionary defines life as any entity that is capable of reproduction and response to stimuli. yes, it is your business what you let into your body, but once you've allowed it in, you are responsible for the life you carry. i think it's funny that you use this argument that it's your body your business, yet you'd probably throw a bitch fit if you caught someone intentionally suck their own dog into a vacuum for the purpose of terminating the dog's existence. i could argue and say THEIR DOG-THEIR BUSINESS, but unlike some people i have a heart.
@ProfMarston You keep using unrelatable attempts at an analogy. The decision to terminate a pregnancy belongs to the person who is pregnant, to be discussed with her doctor. She is the one who risks her life and sheds her bloods giving birth. The U.S. still has one the highest maternal mortality rates in a western country. If it comes to the point where you can take that upon yourself and have these unwanted children, then maybe your position would actually mean something.
you keep bypassing the point. the decision to be pregnant or not be pregnant belongs to the one who would become pregnant after sex, to be discussed with her partner BEFORE she has sex.
@ProfMarston The point will always be that one person gives over their body in order to create that cell cluster that can develop into another life. Only that person has the right to decide if she wants her body so occupied for 9 months. If birth control was 100% effective, that would be one thing, but it’s not. It’s ironic that the same people who think only an “irresponsible” woman would terminate a pregnancy, see nothing incongruous in trusting her to act responsibly during the 9 months of a forced pregnancy.
@bijouxbroussard Or to treat that unwanted baby with tender loving care. https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/health/filicide-parents-killing-kids-stats-trnd/index.html
@bijouxbroussard They ignore it, apparently. I've had some very hostile people tell me I should have been aborted, when I've said "Is it better to torture the child for a few years before killing it?"
@ProfMarston actually the definition of murder is to unlawfully kill a human being. If abortion is murder, then call the police. It’s not your body, not your business. As long as that woman is pregnant, she makes ALL medical decisions, not you. There was a time when men weren’t even allowed in the delivery room. Today, it is the woman who decides who she wants in the delivery room with her.
It’s so easy for you to say “choose adoption”, after a woman’s been raped and got pregnant as a result. Because you’ve never been raped and pregnant. I find it interesting that you think you have the right to tell any woman what to do with her pregnancy.
@ProfMarston Do you know why it is the pregnant woman’s decision? Because nobody knows what her pregnancy feels like. They don’t know what she is feeling or her comfort level. From a medical standpoint, doctors need to follow her lead. Not the man’s lead. He’s not the one pregnant, she is.
If they discussed pregnancy plans, she ends up pregnant and changes her mind, that is her right. Women change their minds all the time. Especially if they are feeling things physically related to her pregnancy, that makes her feel the need to terminate. A call that should never be discussed.
