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beckyromero · 36-40, F
Because the Democrats controlled Congress the first two years of Obama's first term.
The consensus among Democrats was not to try to pass gun restriction legislation because they were afraid it would hurt them in the mid-terms when the party in power in the White House traditionally loses seats. (Of course, they lost control of Congress just the same)
Since 2010, the Republicans have controlled Congress, so not much of a chance happening.
If the Dems re-capture the House this year, it probably won't matter if the Reps still control the Senate.
The consensus among Democrats was not to try to pass gun restriction legislation because they were afraid it would hurt them in the mid-terms when the party in power in the White House traditionally loses seats. (Of course, they lost control of Congress just the same)
Since 2010, the Republicans have controlled Congress, so not much of a chance happening.
If the Dems re-capture the House this year, it probably won't matter if the Reps still control the Senate.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@beckyromero interesting point. Clearly, the NRA is a super power. Doing anything to offend them risks their wrath, money speaks and that means strong push against you b.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@beckyromero
Yes, Democrats loss the house because of Obamacare.
IF Republicans lose the house this next go round it will also be because of Obamacare, not Trump. It's unbelievable that they failed to put together a solution that would best serve ALL Americans.
All the anti-Obamacare hype for a nothing-burger. Trump handed them the ball and they started fighting among themselves. Unbelievable.
Yes, Democrats loss the house because of Obamacare.
IF Republicans lose the house this next go round it will also be because of Obamacare, not Trump. It's unbelievable that they failed to put together a solution that would best serve ALL Americans.
All the anti-Obamacare hype for a nothing-burger. Trump handed them the ball and they started fighting among themselves. Unbelievable.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Heartlander the bottom line on ACA is that it was successful beyond what any one really expected. Now that it is being killed, people are realizing the good it did. Despite its downsides, on balance it was amazingly helpful.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Heartlander Maybe if the Democrats had actually passed a true comprehensive health care legislation that covered everyone, didn't play favorites, let people keep their doctors, didn't come up with a convoluted way of punishing people for not being able to afford health insurance with the 'mandate', didn't royally screw unions for all the wages they gave up over the years to keep good health care benefits by creating a Cadillac tax - instead of worrying about a legacy issue for Obama - maybe they WOULDN'T HAVE LOST control of Congress.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2 It's not all about the NRA, as much as the [b][u]far[/u][/b] left likes to tout.
I don't think Bernie Sanders is afraid of the NRA. Yet even he, in the midst of a Democratic primary for president in 2016, said this:
[quote]I think that urban America has got to respect what rural America is about, where 99 percent of the people in my state who hunt are law abiding people.[/quote]
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgCp6qqxik]
I don't think Bernie Sanders is afraid of the NRA. Yet even he, in the midst of a Democratic primary for president in 2016, said this:
[quote]I think that urban America has got to respect what rural America is about, where 99 percent of the people in my state who hunt are law abiding people.[/quote]
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgCp6qqxik]
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2 Then let's end homelessness, too.
Require all Americans to buy a house or the IRS will come breathing down their back.
That's the most galling, hypocritical thing about Obamacare.
That the president and Congressional Democrats claimed credit for providing health care to everyone when in reality they [b]FORCED[/b] people to buy a product from the very industry they often described as essentially the devil incarnate for decades.
Require all Americans to buy a house or the IRS will come breathing down their back.
That's the most galling, hypocritical thing about Obamacare.
That the president and Congressional Democrats claimed credit for providing health care to everyone when in reality they [b]FORCED[/b] people to buy a product from the very industry they often described as essentially the devil incarnate for decades.
SensibleJulie · F
@beckyromero I think Bernie copped out on that. People who hunt with rifles and shotguns aren't going to be affected by restrictions on pistols and so called assault rifles.
I'm from a country of keen hunters with very high ownership of rifles and shotguns and very restricted numbers of military sty semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Just a tiny percentage have thse two types.
I'm from a country of keen hunters with very high ownership of rifles and shotguns and very restricted numbers of military sty semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Just a tiny percentage have thse two types.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@beckyromero we will have to disagree on that issue. To me his comment supports my view. His people are NRA people!
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@SensibleJulie Plenty of people in rural areas pack pistols, too.
They aren't five minutes away from a police station, something voters in urban areas are totally ignorant about.
If a thug is trying to break into my place to rape me, I don't want a telephone to call 911. I want a gun to shoot him in the balls.
They aren't five minutes away from a police station, something voters in urban areas are totally ignorant about.
If a thug is trying to break into my place to rape me, I don't want a telephone to call 911. I want a gun to shoot him in the balls.
SensibleJulie · F
@beckyromero The distance from the police police argument is separate from the rural people like to hunt argument which.
I still say the argument advanced by Bernie doesn't hold water.
I still say the argument advanced by Bernie doesn't hold water.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@beckyromero @beckyromero when was the Last time you heard of any such event? Do you know that the statistics show that someone with a gun in their home is more likely to be killed than one without?
Hunters do not hunt with handguns orbautomatic weapons.
Hunters do not hunt with handguns orbautomatic weapons.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@samueltyler2
It's not about owning a gun but the right to own a gun. I personally do not have a gun. But it's the right to have that gun that has to be preserved.
Pre civil war, slaves were prohibited from having guns, but what's overlooked is that in many states FREE Blacks were also prohibited from owning guns.
Even after the civil war, Jim Crow laws included unequal laws that selectively gave non-blacks complete freedom to own firearms while making it difficult or impossible for blacks to acquire weapons.
This is why the KKK so easily and openly intimidated black people. Blacks were, by law, prohibited from protecting themselves.
It's not about owning a gun but the right to own a gun. I personally do not have a gun. But it's the right to have that gun that has to be preserved.
Pre civil war, slaves were prohibited from having guns, but what's overlooked is that in many states FREE Blacks were also prohibited from owning guns.
Even after the civil war, Jim Crow laws included unequal laws that selectively gave non-blacks complete freedom to own firearms while making it difficult or impossible for blacks to acquire weapons.
This is why the KKK so easily and openly intimidated black people. Blacks were, by law, prohibited from protecting themselves.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2 [quote]when was the Last time you heard of any such event?[/quote]
Funny you should ask. Today actually.
Woman shoots intruder in her North Philadelphia home, police say
http://6abc.com/police-woman-shoots-intruder-in-north-philly-home/3432282/
"PHILADELPHIAA (WPVI) -- Police say a woman jumped into action when a suspect broke into her North Philadelphia home.
It happened on the 1300 block of Poplar Street around 4 a.m.
It was quite the morning for Maxine Thompson to say the very least.
Police say around 4 a.m. a suspect broke into her home on Poplar Street.
But little did the suspect know, Thompson, the mother of a Philadelphia police officer and grandmother was ready to defend herself."
[quote]Do you know that the statistics show that someone with a gun in their home is more likely to be killed than one without?[/quote]
Did you also know that:
People who own cars are more likely to be killed in one than those who don't.
People who live in two-story homes are more likely to be injured falling down the steps than those who live in one-story homes.
Kids whose parents let them play football in high school are more likely to be injured than those who aren't allowed.
Wonder what the statistics would be if you filtered out suicide and homicides by the gun owner and focused on what is really the only two relevant factors (given that someone committed to suicide will find a way as well as a homicidal maniac): (1) criminal shoots resident were gun-owner resides, (2) gun-owner/resident shoots criminal. If a criminal breaks into your house, what do you want to be armed with? A gun or a cell phone?
Some other numbers:
Wiki:
in 2013:
11,208 homicides by firearms
...505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm
Funny you should ask. Today actually.
Woman shoots intruder in her North Philadelphia home, police say
http://6abc.com/police-woman-shoots-intruder-in-north-philly-home/3432282/
"PHILADELPHIAA (WPVI) -- Police say a woman jumped into action when a suspect broke into her North Philadelphia home.
It happened on the 1300 block of Poplar Street around 4 a.m.
It was quite the morning for Maxine Thompson to say the very least.
Police say around 4 a.m. a suspect broke into her home on Poplar Street.
But little did the suspect know, Thompson, the mother of a Philadelphia police officer and grandmother was ready to defend herself."
[quote]Do you know that the statistics show that someone with a gun in their home is more likely to be killed than one without?[/quote]
Did you also know that:
People who own cars are more likely to be killed in one than those who don't.
People who live in two-story homes are more likely to be injured falling down the steps than those who live in one-story homes.
Kids whose parents let them play football in high school are more likely to be injured than those who aren't allowed.
Wonder what the statistics would be if you filtered out suicide and homicides by the gun owner and focused on what is really the only two relevant factors (given that someone committed to suicide will find a way as well as a homicidal maniac): (1) criminal shoots resident were gun-owner resides, (2) gun-owner/resident shoots criminal. If a criminal breaks into your house, what do you want to be armed with? A gun or a cell phone?
Some other numbers:
Wiki:
in 2013:
11,208 homicides by firearms
...505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm