This comment is hidden.
Show Comment
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@jshm2 Hmmmm??? I wouldn't really want to live in Russia right now! If that's your belief in 'freedom' and 'democracy' and '1st World economics'..... then I'm happy for you alone.
kodiac · 22-25, M
So this old lady has the answer to stopping the war? She says no sanctions but isn't most of Europe still buying Russian oil ? Biden fed the war to keep his assets in ukrain safe ,the un just kept pushing closer to Russia with it's missiles going against agreements made decades ago . Trump should cut all funding of this proxy war . I mean don't we know that Russia could obliterate Ukraine in one massive blast? The only thing stopping that is Trimp like him or hate him the Russians now fear the us unlike when biden was supposedly in charge. .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow another generation of Russian boys will grow up without dads , like after WW2.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt Some will but claiming it is even remotely on that scale is wild exaggeration. It is absolutely going to be true for Ukraine.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt Another fact that you will never find in a western propaganda outlet is that the day that the Russians crossed the border was the same day that the largest shelling of Donbas by the Ukrainian army since 2014. This is according to the OSCE which western sources love to pretend it doesn't exist because they actually take being impartial seriously. Just like western sources love to pretend that both the EU report and the OSCE both concluded Georgia stated the 2008 war.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
The simple facts are the west really has no cards to play here that will change anything. Even an assessment by the Pentagon has said as much.
Furthermore an outgoing Biden official Eric Green admitted winning was never the goal.
According to Ukrainian sources they were lied to in 2022 by the US and UK and told to reject the Istanbul peace talks and if they fought a war for them of a year Russia would collapse internally. Not sure why Zelensky thought a failed state with the world's largest nuclear arsenal directly next door was a preferable situation but he went for it and promptly lost his country for American and UK geopolitical games.
At this point Trump like Biden before him are trying to pretend for domestic audiences that they still are in control of their proxy war.
When in reality this is America's Baghdad Bob moment.
The loser doesn't dictate terms.
Furthermore an outgoing Biden official Eric Green admitted winning was never the goal.
According to Ukrainian sources they were lied to in 2022 by the US and UK and told to reject the Istanbul peace talks and if they fought a war for them of a year Russia would collapse internally. Not sure why Zelensky thought a failed state with the world's largest nuclear arsenal directly next door was a preferable situation but he went for it and promptly lost his country for American and UK geopolitical games.
At this point Trump like Biden before him are trying to pretend for domestic audiences that they still are in control of their proxy war.
When in reality this is America's Baghdad Bob moment.
The loser doesn't dictate terms.
This comment is hidden.
Show Comment
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Khenpal1 Huh?? Do you even know what a communist is? Perhaps if you tell me a bit more I can give you a better answer than "Huh?"
DarthInvader · 36-40, M
Putin has put all of his broken eggs into the one basket of assuring the Russian people that the loss of their fathers, sons and brothers to 'his' war will be the start of remaking the U.S.S.R.
Oh boy. I wonder where you got this from but I think I have an idea.
The West knew Russia would act this way long before Putin was even in power, Yeltsin himself warned Clinton in the ’90s that NATO expansion would cross a line and be seen as a threat to Russia. Years later, William Burns, then U.S. Ambassador to Russia, came to a similar conclusion in his “Nyet Means Nyet” memo, showing that opposition to NATO expansion wasn’t just Putin’s view but widely shared across the Russian political establishment. So this “his war” narrative is complete nonsense. This objection to NATO expansion began before Putin supposedly just woke up one morning and decided “give me USSR or give me death,” which is about how some of you seem to imagine it all played out.
Interesting how the people most worried about Russian propaganda are often the ones being propagandized the hardest by western media.
degraded · 22-25, F
What is this? Fairytale hour?
This comment is hidden.
Show Comment
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 Not even remotely if you actually have a clue what is going on there.
Online likely if you believe western talking heads who could not find Ukraine on a map before 2014 calling themselves "experts" now.
Most are still living off Yeltsin and soviet era cliches.
Online likely if you believe western talking heads who could not find Ukraine on a map before 2014 calling themselves "experts" now.
Most are still living off Yeltsin and soviet era cliches.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You got the topic right - but it's really the economics (seized assets) and the human losses (if they are not totally exaggerated) that will prevent Russia from a quick recovery. Nobody is saying that Russia will disappear from the map..... it's just that the oligarchy that Putin has established won't be able to hold onto power - too much loss of face, too much explaining of an inexplicable dream.
Bottom line: Do you think Russia should be allowed to annex Ukraine?
Bottom line: Do you think Russia should be allowed to annex Ukraine?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@JollyRoger A couple of things here. Most of the stolen assets were only taken from oligarchs many of which fled to Europe and the US to preserve their ill gotten gains and ironically solving the oligarch issue for Putin.
And the Russian economy is actually in better shape now than it was. It is no longer dependent on outside financing and alot of what was lost was replaced by domestic alternatives. In fact alot of foreign companies left factories and offices intact and it was just a matter of restaffing them.
And Russia has 10 times the population of Ukraine and can absorb the loses they are taking. Ukraine cannot. They have already effectively lost their workforce, the average Ukrainian soldier is older than me (I am 43), and millions left the country with no interest to fight for the regime and Kiev and likely will not return because they have new lives elsewhere (including 5 million in Russia btw).
Ukraine also had a very small percentage of the population that are of the cohort that have children because well nobody from the previous generations wanted to have kids in Europe's most corrupt country. So they have a demographic crisis and the west is still trying to pressure them into drafting 18 year olds.
And if you are talking losses as reported by Kiev than you are looking at completely invented numbers.
As for your question. Annexation was never what this was about.
The US and UK tried to turn Ukraine into a forward operating base for yet more NATO expansion and like even American experts told Bill Clinton back in the 1990s that would start a war.
Russians are tired of American proxy wars in Eastern Europe and don't want to be fighting whoever is the new fig leaf in 10 years just because Washington didn't get the cold war is over.
They didn't start this but they will damn well finish it.
And as for the Donbas Region and Crimea, Kiev burned those bridges in 2014.
It amazes me how a decade in people refuse to educate themselves on the history and politics and just blindly believe whatever the news tells them to believe.
And the Russian economy is actually in better shape now than it was. It is no longer dependent on outside financing and alot of what was lost was replaced by domestic alternatives. In fact alot of foreign companies left factories and offices intact and it was just a matter of restaffing them.
And Russia has 10 times the population of Ukraine and can absorb the loses they are taking. Ukraine cannot. They have already effectively lost their workforce, the average Ukrainian soldier is older than me (I am 43), and millions left the country with no interest to fight for the regime and Kiev and likely will not return because they have new lives elsewhere (including 5 million in Russia btw).
Ukraine also had a very small percentage of the population that are of the cohort that have children because well nobody from the previous generations wanted to have kids in Europe's most corrupt country. So they have a demographic crisis and the west is still trying to pressure them into drafting 18 year olds.
And if you are talking losses as reported by Kiev than you are looking at completely invented numbers.
As for your question. Annexation was never what this was about.
The US and UK tried to turn Ukraine into a forward operating base for yet more NATO expansion and like even American experts told Bill Clinton back in the 1990s that would start a war.
Russians are tired of American proxy wars in Eastern Europe and don't want to be fighting whoever is the new fig leaf in 10 years just because Washington didn't get the cold war is over.
They didn't start this but they will damn well finish it.
And as for the Donbas Region and Crimea, Kiev burned those bridges in 2014.
It amazes me how a decade in people refuse to educate themselves on the history and politics and just blindly believe whatever the news tells them to believe.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Which approach ? The one JoeB took when he invaded years ago ? The one JoeB took for the last 3 years during fighting ? The one Orange has taken the last 6 months?
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Roundandroundwego where you going , and when ?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
degraded · 22-25, F
Times Radio puts the Grimm brothers' imaginations to shame.
Are you ok? Do you suffer from delusions? Do you and women in the video need to be put away?
Are you ok? Do you suffer from delusions? Do you and women in the video need to be put away?
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@degraded I guess you feel that your unelaborated quip should stand as a censure of Francis' analysis? Give us some more 'depth' of why you think it's delusional?
To me it's 'brinkmanship' and Putin has put all of his broken eggs into the one basket of assuring the Russian people that the loss of their fathers, sons and brothers to 'his' war will be the start of remaking the U.S.S.R. Where will Putin go if he loses this gambit? To me the writing is on the wall: He's not suicidal therefore he's murderous. He would 'push the button' if an overt attack on Russia were to occur. Therefore REAL sanctions are the only way to break his piggy-bank. Mr. tRUMP can't do that alone and he's not the type of guy who asks for good advice or who sets a good example for others to follow.
To me it's 'brinkmanship' and Putin has put all of his broken eggs into the one basket of assuring the Russian people that the loss of their fathers, sons and brothers to 'his' war will be the start of remaking the U.S.S.R. Where will Putin go if he loses this gambit? To me the writing is on the wall: He's not suicidal therefore he's murderous. He would 'push the button' if an overt attack on Russia were to occur. Therefore REAL sanctions are the only way to break his piggy-bank. Mr. tRUMP can't do that alone and he's not the type of guy who asks for good advice or who sets a good example for others to follow.
degraded · 22-25, F
@JollyRoger Think what you will. My words are now gone.