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The Best America can Hope for

The best thing we as the American Public, Taxpayers, and Consumers can do for ourselves as we look to 2023 figure things out is to get ourselves prepared for what we know is on the horizon. We're definitely on the knife's edge of Decline both Foreign and Domestic, the point is to mitigate whatever the damage that'll come with that.

• We cannot expect Government to solve the very underlying problems that it created to begin with. We certainly cannot expect Government to make anyone whole when the same US Government cannot even balance its own checkbook or secure its own Borders. There's hard work that's going to have to be done to get the United States and its Citizenry out of the Economic and Financial cesspool that's come about. The manufactured Coronavirus Pandemic, the 2020 Roll of the Dice (aka Election), The FTX Scandal, and subsequent Recession has reminded Taxpayers of this fact. There aren't going to be anymore Bailouts from the Government, We The People have to roll up our sleeves and bail ourselves out by doing things the Old Fashioned way and hard work.

• We need truely healthy Free Market Economic and Monetary Policy so American Taxpayers and Consumers can be able to take full advantage of the benefits and keep the Fruits of their own Labor, also able to grow and keep their Wealth.

• We need Foreign Affairs based on what the Founders understood to begin with; Trade, Commerce, and Honest Friendship with other Countries but entangling Alliances with none. A Foreign Policy that Talks, Negotiates with, Trades with, has Cultural exchanges with. We never use Economic Warfare or any Warfare against any Country without a Constitutional Declaration of War from The US Congress first! We treat other Countries the way we ourselves want to be treated. You can't bark about Human Rights when you don't practice it yourself.

Seasons Greetings to all...
• Most importantly, we must have a Limited Constitutional Government that does away with the so called Nanny State. The less Government we have, the more Freedom the People have. The Government that governs least governs best...
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Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
"We need truely healthy Free Market Economic and Monetary Policy so American Taxpayers and Consumers can be able to take full advantage of the benefits and keep the Fruits of their own Labor."

Currently, this is the wealth distribution in the US:

Wealth distribution in the United States in the second quarter of 2022.
Share of the population ranked by household income Share of total wealth
Top 1% 31.1%
90-99% 36.9%
50-90% 28.9%
Bottom 50% 3.2%

You think the top 1% or the top 10% are going to change into benefactors of the rest in a total free market?
redredred · M
@Zeusdelight Whst is your legitimate claim on the wealth others have created?
MethDozer · M
@redredred Your false assumption is that the ultra wealthy must have created all they wealth they have.

Labour creates the wealth.
@redredred legitimate claim?

Plantation owner gets rich off the backs of slaves…immense wealth passed down through generations. Old money it’s called and there is plenty of it.

So you tell us.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@redredred If we assume an equitable society where rules and laws are applied equally - None.

But we do not have an equitable society.

How is it that you can argue that it is okay for the wealthy to get more wealthy by paying their employees less than what they need to have their own chances or paying less tax than some of their employees?

No matter where we live, we use the roads and electricity that are provided by the Community we live in. If we get in trouble there are rescue services available, the police are available. These are all provided by the society we live in. If you want you can call that socialism.

Alternatively, you can see it as the Community acknowledging that, to some extent, we need each other's support irrespective of whether the over riding desire is for Capitalism or Socialism.
redredred · M
@Zeusdelight no one forces anyone to work for another do the employees accept the deal or find someone who will pay them more. There is no moral basis for making someone pay a hire tax rate simply because they have more money. That is the logic of Willie Sutton.

In any event I’ve never found a leftard who is willing to state unequivocally exactly what rate (a real, actual number)represents the “fair share” for the wealthy. You won’t either.

Lastly I’m able to pay for the services of others I need; I am unwilling to use the force of government to force them to cooperate
MethDozer · M
@redredred If the system works in your favor more, it is only logical you pay more into it. Also the burden is greater on the poor than the rich. It only makes it logical the less burdened pay a higher rate. Not to mention y'all ignore the fact that the higher tax rate was never on the entire amount earned, the brackets only include income over certain amounts. The amounts below them are taxed the same.


As it stands the richest mofos aren't paying dick but recieve all the representation and rewards.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@redredred I am not talking tax rates here, I am talking about tax paid. I am talking about the ability to manipulate tax laws in ways they were never intended to be manipulated. I am talking about the modern day 'Willie Suttons' who take from everyone else except the rich.

You are lucky that you can afford to pay for services you need. Many in your country cannot afford basic things such as accommodation. Notice the weather recently, they sure would have a great Christmas.

But are you trying to say that no matter how some people have got their wealth that you are happy with the wealth distribution in your country?

Are you going to argue that a free market will benefit all, rather than the few?

Do you think there is any moral basis applicable to this situation at all?
redredred · M
@Zeusdelight I am blissfully happy with wealth inequity. It’s what makes the economy possible. Who, earning $80K/year is going to hire someone at $80k/yr?

You realize the tax laws are written by the millionaires in congress, right? They write the rules, we play the game. If Congress writes the rules, do you pay more than the law requires? You know, you’re free to do so.

BTW, I knew you wouldn’t give me the fair-share rate, you leftists never do.
@redredred I hope you know I’m laughing at your ignorance.


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With their output surging as a result of the big-city tilt of the decade’s “winner-take-most” economy, Democratic districts have seen their median household income soar in a decade—from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 in 2018. By contrast, the income level in Republican districts began slightly higher in 2008, but then declined from $55,000 to $53,000.
Underlying these changes have been eye-popping shifts in economic performance. Democratic-voting districts have seen their GDP per seat grow by a third since 2008, from $35.7 billion to $48.5 billion a seat, whereas Republican districts saw their output slightly decline from $33.2 billion to $32.6 billion.
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MethDozer · M
@redredred [quote] You realize the tax laws are written by the millionaires [/quote]


Yes we know, the fact wealth rules all is the problem we are always talking about. Only you keep spewing the exact policies and concepts that allow that.
redredred · M
@Ryderbike The criticism of fools is high praise, thanks for your praise.

BTW, since you miss so much, I’m not a Republican.
@redredred Well, you mentioned the left. And since the left seems to be producing almost 70% of America’s GDP, it makes me smile.
redredred · M
@Ryderbike so you admire millionaires?
@redredred I admire people who get things done.
MethDozer · M
@redredred You honestly believe the highest amount of wealth is concentrated on your so-called left?????
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@redredred I am sorry that you cannot read. You have more interest in tax rates than I, which is very easy because I have no interest.

I also know I am not qualified to suggest a rate.

Whatever my inclinations, I know what I know and can debate it. To try to get me to discuss something I am not interested in by name calling is pathetic behaviour.

And what a simple view of the economy you have. And a complete ignorance of tax evasion and international tax schemes. I am sorry that you really have no idea how the economy or the Uber rich work.

You call this a game, what a shame you do not care about the rules.
redredred · M
@Zeusdelight It’s called tax avoidance which is perfectly legal. Corporations that do not seek the greatest tax avoidance are guilty of malfeasance. Tax evasion is illegal.

You may want to try and shirk the tax rate issue but you’re just as phony as the rest of the leftards who scream about people paying their ”fair share” but go lame when pressed what that should be. You have no right to claim the 1% are not paying their fair share if you won’t state what it should be.
MethDozer · M
@redredred Here's the thing Red, while you're complaining about "elite" millionaires in Congress, we are talking about arostocratic billionaires. Many who it is shown often don't pay anything at all in their tax fillings.

You're right tax avoidance is legal and written in the system. The problem is that it is because they use their unmatched wealth to buy and lobby for a system that only benefits them. The wealth disparity is the problem and is destroying freedom for all in the name of freedom for capital. Tha'ts the difference between you and I. You believe in the freedom of wealth over the freedom of people. The only thing that can be gathered from from your bitd and pieces of what you feel should be is wealth is a virtue and poverty is sin and both are deserved and acceptable. You don't seem to actually care about the lives of people or a healthy society, you care about your Lucky Charms and the persuit and concentration of wealth and power because "dey Urned It" and are fine with modern feifdoms. You're on that childish Ayn Rand bullshit.
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redredred · M
@Zeusdelight No, you’ve just realized you cannot effectively debate the issue because I’m right and you’re wrong.
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redredred · M
I’m 73 years old with an MBA and a Masters in Econ. I know what I’m talking about and can debate this as long as you like.

Still no tax rate for the 1% fair share huh?@Zeusdelight
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Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@redredred You may have those qualifications, but you cannot understand basic english. I couldn't care too hoots about tax rates. Do you understand that? It seems not.
@Zeusdelight unfortunately redredred is not a thinker. But good on you for trying,