Do you get any satisfaction out of knowing Americans are lots poorer because they're against immigrants and have vigilantes at the border?
I certainly do!
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Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
I have been in positions where I was paid less because illegals worked in the same place, illegal immigration has affected me financially at times.
I have been to other countries and have never encountered a border of another nation where people travel freely as they do on the southern border of the US, and, those hired by the government to police the border are not vigilantes taking the law into their own hands, they are federal agents.
If American's are poorer because of the border, it is because of the financial drain on society, on hospitals, schools, and infrastructure.
I have been to other countries and have never encountered a border of another nation where people travel freely as they do on the southern border of the US, and, those hired by the government to police the border are not vigilantes taking the law into their own hands, they are federal agents.
If American's are poorer because of the border, it is because of the financial drain on society, on hospitals, schools, and infrastructure.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Roadsterrider Countries with open borders, 2022:
Germany
France
Italy
Spain
Poland
Netherlands Belgium
Czech Republic
Greece
Sweden
Portugal
Hungary
Austria
Switzerland
Denmark
Finland
Norway
Slovakia
Lithuania
Slovenia
Latvia
Estonia
Luxembourg
Malta
Iceland
Liechtenstein
[i]https://www.econlib.org/how-open-borders-died-in-five-countries/[/i]
I don't remember the last time I had to beat out an immigrant for a housepaint or roofing job, picking strawberries in the desert sun or mowing empty lots. Immigration is responsible for a huge influx of money to the US and we'd see the effects of the loss of that money and labor within the day.
Germany
France
Italy
Spain
Poland
Netherlands Belgium
Czech Republic
Greece
Sweden
Portugal
Hungary
Austria
Switzerland
Denmark
Finland
Norway
Slovakia
Lithuania
Slovenia
Latvia
Estonia
Luxembourg
Malta
Iceland
Liechtenstein
[i]https://www.econlib.org/how-open-borders-died-in-five-countries/[/i]
I don't remember the last time I had to beat out an immigrant for a housepaint or roofing job, picking strawberries in the desert sun or mowing empty lots. Immigration is responsible for a huge influx of money to the US and we'd see the effects of the loss of that money and labor within the day.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Graylight I have been to France, Spain, and Norway, in all three countries, a passport was required and entry into the country at a controlled port of entry. There were scary men with guns at each to greet me. My access, what I brought into these countries and length of stay were controlled. Traveling to Canada for a job, I had to have ID and a letter from the firm in Canada explaining why I was being contracted to do a job in Canada instead of a Canadian citizen.
As far as money brought into the US economy, immigrants are over represented on public assistance rolls. About $50 billion a year goes to Mexico from the US economy in the form of remittances from people in the US sending money back to Mexico.
As far as money brought into the US economy, immigrants are over represented on public assistance rolls. About $50 billion a year goes to Mexico from the US economy in the form of remittances from people in the US sending money back to Mexico.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Roadsterrider Then I suggest you broaden your understanding of open border countries and immigration in general.
The biggest chunk of welfare recipients are non-Hispanic whites. Hispanics make up 28% of all welfare recipients followed by non-Hispanic blacks at 23%. Meanwhile, other ethnicities like Asian-Americans and Native Americans account for 8% of all recipients. 24 million children use welfare every month.
[i]Urban Institute[/i]
What migrants send back home represents only 15 per cent of what they earn, and it costs a good deal of money to send the funds; that ends up in US pockets. Roughly half the money is sent to rural areas, where it's needed most and remittances also help other developing nations, hopefully ending the need for such remittances. In fact, remittances are often better than foreign aid for at least three reasons: 1. Remittances are a private source of capital that’s over three times the amount of official development assistance (ODA) and foreign direct investment (FDI) combined.
2. In 2018, over 200 million migrant workers sent $689 billion back home to remittance reliant countries, of which $529 billion went to developing countries.
3. The amount of money sent by international migrant workers to their families in developing countries is expected to rise.
The UN is working worldwide to assist remittances and make the process more efficient and beneficial for all parties.
[i]UN[/i]
The biggest chunk of welfare recipients are non-Hispanic whites. Hispanics make up 28% of all welfare recipients followed by non-Hispanic blacks at 23%. Meanwhile, other ethnicities like Asian-Americans and Native Americans account for 8% of all recipients. 24 million children use welfare every month.
[i]Urban Institute[/i]
What migrants send back home represents only 15 per cent of what they earn, and it costs a good deal of money to send the funds; that ends up in US pockets. Roughly half the money is sent to rural areas, where it's needed most and remittances also help other developing nations, hopefully ending the need for such remittances. In fact, remittances are often better than foreign aid for at least three reasons: 1. Remittances are a private source of capital that’s over three times the amount of official development assistance (ODA) and foreign direct investment (FDI) combined.
2. In 2018, over 200 million migrant workers sent $689 billion back home to remittance reliant countries, of which $529 billion went to developing countries.
3. The amount of money sent by international migrant workers to their families in developing countries is expected to rise.
The UN is working worldwide to assist remittances and make the process more efficient and beneficial for all parties.
[i]UN[/i]
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Graylight As a percentage of the population they are 18% and 14% respectively, overrepresented in public assistance. I see the unchecked border crossings as a problem. I don't have a problem with legally immigrating and they can do whatever they want with their earnings, but millions of illegally immigrating people is hurting the economy.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Roadsterrider These are numbers gains largely during the pandemic. Minorities are [i]also[/i] over represented in legal services withheld, barriers to healthcare and aid, educational deficits, poverty and incarceration. We can't create a 4th class as a country and then deny those people the aid we've withheld all along. Not without repercussion.
I'd prefer all immigration be legal, too; I'm sure we all do. But the system is broken. You can't lock the gates, leave holes in the fence and then complain people are coming through.
I'd prefer all immigration be legal, too; I'm sure we all do. But the system is broken. You can't lock the gates, leave holes in the fence and then complain people are coming through.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Graylight There are legal means to immigrate, the problem is there is no border security.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Roadsterrider There are. Means that can take as long as 8-10 years. For a more complete reason as to why we're asking people to use a non-functioning system: https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-system-broken-short-list-problems