Sounds rather like "communism "

@Adstar in other words anti capitalist

@Guitarman123 No Anti fraud... You're to simple minded Guitarman Simple concepts go over your head it seems..

@Adstar capitalism is a fraud system that exploits labourers for profit

@Guitarman123 Capitalism is the free enterprise system where people buy and sell products and services from each other.. Where suppliers compete for the interest of buyers and buyers compete for the products and services of suppliers.. Capitalism is the natural way of this world and has lead to the expansion of the supply of products and services and allowed greater prosperity then any other system in this world..

@Adstar nothing natural about taking advantage of those who rely on a steady wage in order to survive while u make profits off the back of their labour

@Guitarman123 People can and do collectivly bargain for higher salaries.. People can and do withdraw their labour when they are paid too little.. If a business cannot pay enough then that business should and will go out of business..

@Adstar not when one party is a labourer who relies on wages and the other pocesses capital and private property

@Guitarman123 In the end the market will establish the price of services and products.. Suppliers can organise with others to set a minimum cost.. Workers are not powerless within a free enterpise system.. Now in a communist system where they ban unions and send in the secret police to disapear union organisers and have people forced to work in slave labour camps in places like Communist Party ruled China... Well thats what happens when you get ruled by communist dictatorships

@Adstar market that's lead by the wealthy ruiling elite who would also ban trade unions and abolish workers rights if they could get away with it

@Guitarman123 Then you are not talking about a free enterprise system.. You are describing a Putin style oligarch system of central command, mafia economics.,.

@Adstar im talking about capitalism. Since day one it's sole purpose was making profits and has had no problem taking advantage of those who have no wealth and live under poorer circumstances which means that they need to work in order to meet the very basic needs for existence.

@Guitarman123 Profits are needed to be made to have excess funds to reinvest into ones business to develop new improved products and to build venture capital to invest in new ideas and new businesses.. That's the way the economy expands and new businesses new factories new inventions are brought into existence..

@Adstar its how the owner makes more profits that they can hoard by paying little tax which benefits only them and provides nothing for the economy as governments allow them to pay little taxes.

@Guitarman123 All your points are dealing with corruptions that happen when corrupt leaders / politicians make tax dodges for their rich benefactors.. None of these points are valid to use in attacking the capitalist free enterprise system.. They are deviations of the system, not the system itself..

@Adstar they are the system itself. Especially thanks to neoliberalism that puts power into theirs hands even more

@Guitarman123 Nope.. They are corruptions..

@Adstar they're actively encouraged as ways to increase profits much as possible

@Guitarman123 The company thats run the best will obtain the higher profits and will have more money to expand and do more Research and development and that company will eventually out compete the competition and they will end up dominating their area of business.. Thats competition and that advances technology and the economy.. Profits are not evil, they are essential..

@Adstar they obtain profits through exploiting the labourers and getting them to do majority of the work. Profits are only essential for the wealthy elite

@Guitarman123


Not always.. The efficiency of their production.. how advanced their tech is.. Lowering cost of inputs.. Getting more out of what you put in. And Capturing the market making you able to charge a higher amount for your products can have a huge effect on profitability..

No company will survive without profits.. The business with no profits will go out of business and their workers will end up on the unemployment scrap heap earning ZERO $$$ thats what happens to a lot of industries in socialist nations.. Just look at the pathetic state of Venezuela.. It's a desert as far as industry is concerned.. their oil production has crashed because they did not make profits to plough back into keeping their production facilities properly maintained..

@Adstar countries like Venezuela prioritise needs of poorer citizens over the richer ones. Those private profits go into the hands of the rich hoarders and will pay as little tax as they can get away with. Without private ownership then businesses would become workers co operatives where any profits made are shared with all the labourers and in some cases go back into the business.

@Guitarman123 Venezuela priorities the greed of the Leader Maduro and the family of Maduro and the wants of the generals in their army and the desires of the secret police.. The workers are just cattle to be screwed over.. You can be assured workers in Venezuela would dream about being a worker in The western capitalist world..

@Adstar i can assure you workers wouldn't want to be treated like cattle under any system. Only difference with capitalism is that it distracts us with pleasant imagery to pacify us. All workers would rather have a say in how the business is ran and not be alienated

@Guitarman123 "pleasant imagery to pacify us". Kinda like this:


I swear that people like you intentionally accuse others of what your murderous idealogues actually do, to try and get a reaction out of people.

@Therealsteve you don't even know my "ideology ". If murder is a thing you despise then surely you hate religion for the murders its caused throughout history