The Current Disaster in Ukraine

Many apparently believe that when the Berlin Wall came down back in 1989, and then two years later the USSR imploded, that these events signalled the final end to the 'Cold War'. This is rather strange when you actually consider all that took place after these events, and the current (and rather sad) state of the world today. The 'Cold War' over? [i]It never ended![/i]
In fact, the so-called Doomsday Clock is now closer to midnight than it's EVER been, and maybe I shouldn't, but I DO worry about the war in Ukraine getting worse, and spreading to other nations within Eastern Europe. Need I worry? I think so!
The truth is I don't "support" either side in that, profoundly stupid, war. Both sides (and by that expression, I mean NATO and Russia, not Ukraine and Russia) in the conflict seem determined to make it even worse, and being the politicians they are, they don't give a damn about anyone or anything apart from "saving face"! It's sickening, it truly is.

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deadgerbil · 22-25

How do you think the war should be resolved?

Cassie2083

@deadgerbil Well, (and I know this isn't going to happen because the people involved are just too stupid) it could start with a simple cease-fire. Everyone remains in place, all the combatants remain wherever they find themselves to be, but they just stop shooting at each other. That would be the first, and most logical, modest first step.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Cassie2083 Exactly the kind of dumb response I was expecting to read. Don't you think that if the Russians really were after a ceasefire, maybe they wouldn't have invaded Ukraine themselves in the first place?

You're here advocating for them to get a break so that they could reorganize and push a second offensive.

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Cassie2083

@Elessar Okay, well in that case we should also have "backed the defender" when Libya was attacked and the government there overthrown, and Iraq too, and Yugoslavia, and Grenada (1983), and so many other wars the U.S. deliberately provoked.
That would only be fair, wouldn't it?

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Cassie2083 Are we speaking of Russia-Ukraine, or are we speaking of US-Iraq?

And besides, my opinion about the Iraq war doesn't necessarily have to be pro-American.

Cassie2083

@Elessar Ah, I see. So you're a hypocrite then. Thought so. "Oh, let's not talk about what the U.S. gets up to, but when a nation is attacked we have to help the defender!"

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Cassie2083 The hypocrite here is you: I'm picking the side of the defenseless population that got rammed for no valid reasons by bloodthirsty superpower in both instances.

Your problem is that you're implying you're okay with Russia doing it, just not the U.S.

Royricky09

@Elessar perfect answer

Cassie2083

@Elessar I'm not "implying" anything. I don't support either side in this conflict, but you apparently do, because you want to arm one side in order to keep the conflict going.

Cassie2083

@Royricky09 No it's not.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Cassie2083 No, no. You have definitely taken a side.

[i]If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.[/i]

So your "solution" to end the conflict is letting the defender be obliterated by the genocidist aggressor?