Is Capitalism really Human Nature?

@Alison tbh I don't think you are wrong there
The rise of Capitalism also created "traditional" roles and forced women to stay home.

@Gloomy off topic perhaps but relevant to me is Samoan culture. Its matriarchal and well until Christianity got there: Trans people were just normal. Trans girls got to sit at the table with the girls and could be queen.
Guys sit on the floor BTW *laughs*

@Alison We can learn so much from these cultures. Margaret Meads coming of age in Samoa is on my reading list.

@Gloomy honestly and it not surprising to me. Women if in charge just accept trans people mostly. Its def been my experience in life.
Ill look that book up : )

@Alison You are referring to the Faʻafafine peoples of samoa, they were not trans, they were biological males, and remained biological males and simply identified with both traditional masculine and feminine traits.

@Gloomy ok apparently its outdated. I got most of my info from a samoan girl i was hanging out with🤷‍♀️. She had awesome hair : )

@pianoplayingsteve apparently we get to sit at the girls table and can be queen. Thats all that matters to me *laughs*

@Alison Neither males nor females typically accept trans more, nor anything else more. Neither sex think as a borg.

@pianoplayingsteve My RL says otherwise. Even my SW life says otherwise. Even studies say otherwise🤷‍♀️.
Girls usually just accept me as one of them, its guys who bicker about it.

@Alison Yeah sure, if a girl likes guy things more, eh go for it. I was in the british version of the boy scouts and there was one female tomboy that was with us. Though she liked me and it immediately got a little romantic, at way too young an age, and i think one of the reasons for this clear distinction of the sexes and areas for either sex to freely explore without the other sex is to avoid things like that happening. I was meant to be there to learn how to make fires and stuff like that.

@Alison Yes, I am sure they do, because females are more predisposed to accepting what the tribe tells them what to accept. It's part of the female reproductive strategy. Men, on the other hand, are more predisposed to rebelling and doing things their own way, as their reproductive strategy is to be a provider/creator.

@pianoplayingsteve im a tomboy TBH. Love working on cars, lighting fires and math *laughs*.

@pianoplayingsteve I dont scare girls in the slighest. They just arent intimidated by me.
Thats really what is going on.

You are kinda right tho.
Men are usually on thier own defending thier opinions.
Girls have more of a hivemind going on, better system IMO.

@Alison Yeah that's good, I like tomboys, what I don't like though are these ladies who go into spaces that I can admit are mainly male, and then decry everything as sexism as a shortcut to get what they want.

@Alison "You are kinda right tho." No, I am. These facts have been known to evolutionary biologists for decades, it's just recently we have to deny certain established fundamental facts arent right when they dont suit whatever that day's narrative is. And these power hungry people like it, they like the idea that they wield so much power that not only can they control small facets of society, but that they can also deny our evolutionary nature, and dictate how reality should work. It's funny because both christian and woke fundamentalists alike end up taking issue with science when it contradicts their dogma.

@pianoplayingsteve ive worked in construction its a zoo TBH. Someone gotta sort it out. It is a very sexist environment🤷‍♀️.

@Alison Well, so long as Anita Sarkeesian isn't your go to.

@pianoplayingsteve i understand d2d males have been disenfranchised. Its only gonna get worse with AI and robots. Not sure its my problem tho or that Im to blame or anything.

@Alison dont worry Ill be fine. Im a good talker and listener even by girl standards🤷‍♀️
Always be a job for someone like that : )

@Alison yes, and notice the constant war on "toxic masculinity", notice the trans issue is always those going from MALE to female, notice the idea that a 100% female workforce qualifies as "diverse", notice the bad guy system is the PATriarchy, notice that the work areas that will be taken over by AI are mainly male dominated, notice that the movements apparently designed to support men often attack what is traditionally means to be a man.

@pianoplayingsteve "traditional men" really arent compatible with the 21st century. Not sure that complaining about it gonna change anything. It is what it is🤷‍♀️.
Gotta adapt, improvise and overcome🤷‍♀️.
And well offer solutions🤷‍♀️

@Alison

No, they are very compatible with the 21rst century, and that's the issue with the people pushing stuff like this. A strong family unit consisting of a clearly defined man and woman who work together and love each other are able to create independence for themselves and their surrounding community. You can't really convince anyone that they need so and so state program you are pushing, if people are already pretty well off through their own independence.

As for "offering solutions", it's the hegelian dialectic. Problem, reaction, solution. They create a problem to then cause people to demand the solution that the societal architects wanted to begin with. They erode the traditional family unit that creates independence, and so people become weaker all round, and then people need help to overcome the difficulties this has created, and conveniently the state has all the solutions as that was the plan to begin with. And each of these solutions discretely then weaken the independence of individuals in other ways, slowly creating the conditions to justify more state encroachment on individual rights, which in turn further weakens the individual, and it snowballs.

No one was forced to stay home. They just took care of the home and children while the men went out and worked. @Gloomy

@Gloomy sorry for derailing your post with this thread, hope thats ok, been interesting anyway.

Anyways Im out now.
Been TLDRed🤷‍♀️. I really lack that kind of focus.
Scan read, it seemed like he was imagining life in 1950s🤷‍♀️. Who knows?

@Spoiledbrat You don't seem to realize that underlying social pressures and expectations are coercive as well. Also it made women dependant on men